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Another Responsible Gun Owner Stands His Ground

seycyrus said:
Really? You don't understand the point? Alarms and better locks buy you time. You can use that time to do a couple things. Wait for the police to come and save you, or defend yourself.
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Unless you have a stash of drugs or cash and are in fear of being attacked by rival drug gangs it's pretty unlikely that criminals will fail to be deterred by locks and alarms. Of course it is possible you will fall victim to a home invasion if you have high end cars or expensive jewellery but even then having better locks, an alarm, maybe a dog and a cell phone is going to protect you far more surely than exiting your house with a gun in hand and challenging the intruders on your driveway.
 
seycyrus said:
No, you are lying to yourself and to everyone else on this forum.

In EVERY SINGLE ONE of the instances you bring up, the bad guys "upper hand" is reduced if I have a gun.

Next time, try answering the question.
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I did answer the question. It ----> DEPENDS <-----


If you're sleeping and your guns are locked in their safe - as should be the case with responsible owners - you're screwed.
 
NoahFence said:
I did answer the question. It ----> DEPENDS <-----


If you're sleeping and your guns are locked in their safe - as should be the case with responsible owners - you're screwed.
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No, it does not depend. Even in the cases where you want to reduce the possibility of one accessing their firearm to an infinitesimally small number, that number is still greater than zero.

Therefore, as has been shown. In all circumstances, the bad guys advantage is reduced if the good guy has a gun.
 
NoahFence said:
You need a citation that says the person breaking into your house is more prepared for the event than you?
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No, it is pretty clear that the citation required is that the bad guys will be able to do their business before the good guys have time to react.
 
seycyrus said:
No, it does not depend. Even in the cases where you want to reduce the possibility of one accessing their firearm to an infinitesimally small number, that number is still greater than zero.

Therefore, as has been shown. In all circumstances, the bad guys advantage is reduced if the good guy has a gun.
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So you're just trolling.

Fine.
 
seycyrus said:
Will their advantage be less, if I do or don't have a gun?
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According to most credible sources you are more likely to kill yourself or another family member with the gun than defend yourself with it. What is their advantage while you are attending a funeral?

In other words, why limit yourself to the time frame between breaking in and contact, look at the lifetime ownership of the gun. Do you only plan on owning a gun during that time frame that is highly unlikely to ever occur? The NRA would be broke if that were possible.
 
seycyrus said:
No, it is pretty clear that the citation required is that the bad guys will be able to do their business before the good guys have time to react.
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What the hell do you think they're going to do? Yell "GET ON THE FLOOR!, but after you unlock your safe and load your gun so we're all even and stuff"???
 
squealpiggy said:
..., maybe a dog and a cell phone is going to protect you far more surely than exiting your house with a gun in hand and challenging the intruders on your driveway.
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In terms of exiting the home, you are correct.

Dogs are great, even small dogs. They give you time to react.
 
maxpower1227 said:
The racial component is a red herring. The fact that this guy was paranoid enough to pull a gun and start firing without even attempting to TALK to the people in his driveway is bad enough. People aren't naturally that paranoid and fearful. Random home invasions are nowhere near frequent enough to justify even his warning shot.
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Yes.

quadraginta said:
You made the statement that the windows were rolled up. I pointed out that the information we have so far explicitly stated the contrary.

Why are you evading that?

Yes, I have seen his photo. It is in this article found through the OP link.

I don't know about "brown", but he could certainly be described as "Latino" or "Hispanic" in appearance, something which people who are prone to think in (negative) stereotypes often view as synonymous with "brown", even if they are unwilling to admit as much when asked directly.

More importantly he would sound like he was, since he had apparently only been in this country for a few months.
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So it's your contention that Sailor shot just because he heard his accent, or because he can tell a Colombian from an Italian from a Greek from an Arab from a Jew from a Frenchman from a Brit etc etc etc?

Or are you just trying to shoehorn a racial element into this when there's no evidence it's the case?
 
NoahFence said:
What the hell do you think they're going to do? Yell "GET ON THE FLOOR!, but after you unlock your safe and load your gun so we're all even and stuff"???
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I don't sleep and keep my safe right next to my outside door. Do you? I live in a dwelling that has individual, separate rooms.

I do agree that if I lived in some sort of communal hut, the scenario you mention could be problematic.
 
sgtbaker said:
I think the point is, if the windows were rolled down to speak to Sailor, they were then up when they pulled into the driveway. It's just a argument against the racism charge; basically, when he ran outside to confront them, the windows were up so it's likely that he couldn't, at that point, determine the race of the individuals in the car. That's how I was reading it, anyway, I could be wrong.
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You are correct.

And at that point he already had his gun out and had fired a warning shot. I really don't see how race was an issue in this case, as opposed to paranoid stupidity.
 
seycyrus said:
I don't sleep and keep my safe right next to my outside door. Do you? I live in a dwelling that has individual, separate rooms.

I do agree that if I lived in some sort of communal hut, the scenario you mention could be problematic.
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So now you're just lying.

Troll. Goodbye.
 
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