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Another Responsible Gun Owner Stands His Ground

Unabogie

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Well, they were in his driveway, and they looked brown suspicious. So he feared they were there to hurt them.

Makes perfect sense.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/just_horrific.php?ref=fpblg

Rodrigo Diaz, 22, was driving around with his girlfriend and two friends when he pulled into a driveway, thinking they had arrived at another friend’s house, his brother says. But instead he pulled into the driveway of Phillip Sailors, 69, who thought his home was being robbed, his lawyer says. Sailors then shot Diaz, according to the police report, citing what Sailors told officers at the scene. Diaz later died after surgery.

“Basically, what happened is they were looking for one of my brother’s girlfriend’s friends,” says his brother David E. Diaz-Valencia, 23. “The guy came outside and my brother’s girlfriend said he was screaming, ‘Get off my property!’ and he shot into the air. My brother was backing out fast because he was scared and he rolled down the window to say he was sorry and he was not doing anything wrong. Then the guy shot him in his head.”
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These harmless, inanimate objects sure do pack a wallop, though.
 
The NRA deserve the blame for this sort of thing. Thier ramping up the paranioa to the point where people start shooting each other for simply walking or driving onto their properties is completely crazy, but the whole NRA led gun industry wants USAers scared out of their tightie whites of each other so they'll all start packing 100 guns and a million rounds of ammo for when the gang bangers come to rape and murder them.
 
I'll agree with the very BASIC premise of this thread, though not the hyperbole and idiotic statements, just like we've seen in may other threads.

The guy doing the shooting, was absolutely wrong. No reasonable fear, victim was driving away, and he shot anyway.

Murder. Plain and simple. Agreed there.

The rest? Ignored.
 
And of course, leaving this out.

"He’s now in the county jail charged with murder."

Imagine that.

Una, why did you leave this part out?

Oh, and not to mention the broad brush.....
 
triforcharity said:
And of course, leaving this out.

"He’s now in the county jail charged with murder."

Imagine that.

Una, why did you leave this part out?

Oh, and not to mention the broad brush.....
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I didn't leave anything out, since I linked to the source. You should be aware that for some of us, the fact that the murderer was charged doesn't mitigate the fact that guns cost an innocent kid his life. So what if the idiot is charged? You think his family gives a **** about that?
 
11,078 people died from gun related homocide last year, were you making posts about every single one of them too? Or did you wait until you hitched a ride on the trendy train on a one way ticket to Smugtown first?
 
triforcharity said:
And of course, leaving this out.

"He’s now in the county jail charged with murder."

Imagine that.

Una, why did you leave this part out?

Oh, and not to mention the broad brush.....
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I don't think that the point was that he was wrong and should be charged with murder, a bind man and his dog would see that. The point is that He clearly didn't believe that what he was doing was wrong and was murder, and you can bet that his defence attorney will argue exactly that in court.
 
If the shooter was a Republican and the victim a gay, immigrant Liberal we could a tri-fecta of righteous indignation. Yay!
 
WildCat said:
He looks "brown" to you?

Why do you have to add a racial component to it? Wasn't juicy enough as it was?
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Seriously. Do you think that if a bunch of white kids had driven into the guy's driveway he'd still have come out waving a gun and shooting?
 
That's not the point. If we were discussing something else, nobody would be allowed to post anecdotes and scream indignation about them as evidence for an agenda.

and the fact remains that gun violence down almost half from the high point of the mid 90's, but media coverage of gun violence is wayyy up (especially lately)

It doesn't improve the situation to try and appeal to emotions ya know.
 
StankApe said:
11,078 people died from gun related homocide last year, were you making posts about every single one of them too? Or did you wait until you hitched a ride on the trendy train on a one way ticket to Smugtown first?
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I think this one is actually more of interest because it directly relates to the hysteria that groups like the NRA have been creating. OMG you need guns to protect again the horrid gangs breaking in and shooting you. Now a man sees a bunch of minorities drive into his driveway and the first thing he thinks, dispite the real odds of it occuring, is that they are gang bangers coming to invade his hiome and kill him. That paranoia, created by the likes of the NRA, then leads to him charging out guns blazing and killing a totally innocent person. It's almost the perfect example of how the NRA are making things worse rather than better.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Seriously. Do you think that if a bunch of white kids had driven into the guy's driveway he'd still have come out waving a gun and shooting?
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You could tell the kid was Colombian by looking at him, or even Hispanic?

And what do you know about the race of the other kids in the car? It's not even mentioned. It may well have been a "bunch of white kids".

eta: I see several of the quoted passengers have Hispanic names, but there's no indication that Sailor knew the race of the people in the car. Kind of hard to determine that at night when the windows are rolled up.
 
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That's an awful big assumption. How can you make the leap from A: the event to B: the NRA? (who I have no love for btw). Unless you discover later he was a faithful follower and reader of their material...

For all we know, he's just a damn fool and hates Mexicans or something. Or had some other issue going on that he mistook this car for.
 
Unabogie said:
I didn't leave anything out, since I linked to the source. You should be aware that for some of us, the fact that the murderer was charged doesn't mitigate the fact that guns cost an innocent kid his life. So what if the idiot is charged? You think his family gives a **** about that?
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No, it doesn't, you're right.

However, the fact that he is being charged, and will almost certainly spend the rest of his life in prison, is of some comfort to the family.

But, the reason for posting this story, is simply to inflame others. It serves no other purpose. None.

He didn't stand his ground, as he was acting outside of the law.

He committed murder. Plain and simple.

People from all walks of life, do dumb ****. To attempt to label all people into one group (which is what I believe you're trying to do) is asinine. But, at least your posts are consistently asinine. Props there.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I don't think that the point was that he was wrong and should be charged with murder, a bind man and his dog would see that. The point is that He clearly didn't believe that what he was doing was wrong and was murder, and you can bet that his defence attorney will argue exactly that in court.
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Ok......and this is different from many many many other cases, how?

And I can almost guarantee if this goes to trial, he'll be found guilty.
 
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