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Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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fitzgibbon said:
Not to worry. It can be re-upped with fair-use commentary if need be. :D

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Are you suggesting that without invoking a fair use policy Mr Menard might get offended and play with copyright issues again?

That simply wouldn't be Cricket.

Good job I didn't accidentally download the video then.
 
fitzgibbon said:
Again? Really? 'Spose it shouldn't surprise me he invokes protection of common law when it suits him. Cherry-picking a pastime of his?

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I'll leave it to JB to answer that one.
I think JB will, at the moment, be in line waiting for his Paid-Shill-Money.

Don't ever use the WFS logo though.
I forget what it looks like now....

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Oh yes, that one.

Never post the WFS logo...
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Or Rob will play the copyright game with you.

It's a shame really because by posting the WFS logo,
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A discussion could be had with Menard about how he picks and chooses his lies about legal matters.

Thankfully no one is silly enough to cross the Mighty Wolverine by breaching his own personal, paranoid view on life.

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Now, if only I could find that WFS logo.
 
ComfySlippers said:
You'd almost think Rob had a massive chip on his paranoid shoulder about Forum Posters not identifying themselves. :D

Identify yourselves!
Identify yourselves!
Identify yourselves!
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Mr. Menard has been invited to come to Kentucky, at no expense, to debate.

He demured.

Mr. Menard claimed on his WFS forum to have identified me and has posted a name for me, which he now claims not to know. He has posted my IP address and has even put it up on YouTube! My email account, the address, which I freely provided to him, is now filled with creepy “you have a 41 year old friend in Vancouver” requests.

Yet Mr. Menard says he doesn’t know me from beans!

What does this guy need? A card? An airport car to pick him up from the friend’s couch ? A plane ticket to Kentucky?

A passport?

A spine?

Recently, I have requested that he disclose, not personal information, but rather a simple account of the public donations made and expenses incurred regarding freeman valley, the C3PO, his consumer credit effort and his several claimed legal actions.

I remind the reader that in each case Menard asked for donations and pledged full disclosure of each effort.

Now in his latest YouTube he tells us he and his contributors are filing a suit against the BC Law Society. I, yet again, request that he openly and honestly disclose a simple accounting of the donations made, expenses incurred and results achieved regarding this effort.

No personal information need be disclosed.

It’s time to fish or cut bait, Bobby.
 
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Again? Really? 'Spose it shouldn't surprise me he invokes protection of common law when it suits him. Cherry-picking a pastime of his?

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Yep, I used his WFS logo on a Google blog and he contacted Google and claimed breach of copyright.
It was Robert again showing a total lack of belief in his withdrawal of consent theory.
Surely if he thought withdrawal of consent was possible he would have realised the Copyright Act didnt apply to me unless I consented to it.
I didnt (consent to it) and it did (apply to me regardless)

Bullet in the foot for Bobby boy.
 
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fitzgibbon said:
Once we've got 'im outta the country, do you really think we're gonna let 'im back in? :D

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I hear ya. I’m not sure the U.S. would want him either, that is if he rates a blip the radar screen.

Fez Boy’s real problem is that having made it all about himself raises the question of whether freeman valley, the C3PO, the consumer credit effort and all the phony legal actions were ever about the common good of the larger freeman community in the first place.

In his rambling YouTube he tries to get out of disclosing the donations, expenses and progress of these efforts by claiming the information is personal information which no reasonable person would disclose.

This effectively means that these enterprises, which freemen must have seen as communal efforts, are now claimed by “Robert the Great” as part of his personal fiefdom.

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Dope Clock update: It is day 70 since Fez Boy filed his magic freeman court papers and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.
 
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Yep, I used his WFS logo on a Google blog and he contacted Google and claimed breach of copyright.
It was Robert again showing a total lack of belief in his withdrawal of consent theory.
Surely if he thought withdrawal of consent was possible he would have realised the Copyright Act didnt apply to me unless I consented to it.
I didnt (consent to it) and it did (apply to me regardless)
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Just as a side note Bobby re-loaded and shot himself again with his response to this.
He claimed that because I had agreed to Googles terms and conditions I had consented to the copyright act and as I was engaging in a governable act I was unable to withdraw consent to it.

That pretty much blows his theory further apart because as Menard smokes pot and drinks booze in the street and these actions are governable actions he then must consent to the acts governing them and cannot withdraw consent. :)
 
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I've wondered how they expect to be able to convince a judge when they are generally unable to maintain any cohesive argument in an internet forum that provides any resistance to their ideas (asking basic questions).
 
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APPROPRIATE CONDUCT
You understand that all information, data, text, software, music, sound, photographs, graphics, video, messages or other materials ("Content") are the sole responsibility of the person from which such Content originated.
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Not a person under MVA/Tax/etc, but a person when convenient, right?

This is where I find the argument fails. They have never been able to explain why they can claim not to be a person for purposes of various acts, yet switch it on when they want something.

Terms of Facebook say you have to use your "real name", so I guess "Robert Menard" is his real name instead of the version with ":".
 
They have never been able to explain why they can claim not to be a person for purposes of various acts, yet switch it on when they want something.
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Thats right, you just follow the money, if it's coming in, they consent, if it's going out, they don't.

Thats pretty much it.
 
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One wonders what the terms to which one consents upon entering into a freeman society?

We are aware of the freeman dictums to cause no harm or loss to others, never breach the peace, and never employ any mischief in promises and agreements.

It seems to me that the actual practice of freemanary, as employed by Mr. Menard, falls short of that mark.

Accepting donations for specific purposes like freeman valley, the C3PO, the consumer credit effort and the several claimed legal actions and then refusing to report the uses of those funds and results of the efforts leaves the door open to mischievous misuse of funds.

Mr. Menard, aware of the suspicions his secrecy generates says there might be several perfectly explainable and understandable reasons for the failures of each these efforts. Then, creating yet further suspicion, Menard palms the card again and avoids an accounting by telling his contributors that the causes of the failures must be reasonable simply because the skeptics here at the Randi forum ask straightforward questions.

But the matter is not between Menard and Randi forum posters. It is between Menard and his contributors!

In order to guard against “mischief” I would recommend that all freemen contributing to Menard’s projects insist upon written agreements requiring Menard to account for all the money contributed to those projects and to report the progress of the projects.

I remind freemen, yet again, that there are no reports of any progress or success in any of these Menardian efforts, that Menard refuses to account for the money given him and goes as far as to claim that the use of your money, which you gave him, is his sole private business!

Ask the man where the money is! Make him answer, freemen!

It’s your money. It’s your right!
 
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A thought gentlemen..and Menard

We might want to provide an example of how such projects in the real world document their use of donations....I suspect Menard has kept no records of any kind (feel free to prove me wrong Menard). Might as well show those he has scammed how record keeping is done in such cases.
 
Hehehe, however one does wonder how much was donated and how much was spent on these projects. That should be easy for Menard to tell us


So Menard you gonna tell us or are you going to keep hiding the truth?
 
Menard did once write that sales of his DVDs went to the WFS and not to him.
Maybe someone from there could let us know if that was the case.
 
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Ive found Robs paperwork
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That can't be Menard's booze bill. Look at the bottom where it says: "TAX 7460.94." A Freeman On The Land is not bound by statutes that cover consumption taxes. A Freeman On the Land can withdraw consent can't he?
 
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Stacey Grove said:
That can't be Menard's booze bill. Look at the bottom where it says: "TAX 7460.94." A Freeman On The Land is not bound by statutes that cover consumption taxes. A Freeman On the Land can withdraw consent can't he?
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...and there's no freaking way he's got 156 thousand dollars.
 
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