Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[BazBear]

I'd love to hear your input on my bolded statement, Clayton.

I know an autistic kid who's going to college, and doing quite well. Clayton, do you really think he would be better off dead?

 

[LSSBB]

I know an autistic kid who's going to college, and doing quite well. Clayton, do you really think he would be better off dead?

In my extended family I had an autistic cousin, have an autistic 2nd cousin, another cousin with HFA, and my younger son has HFA (formerly Aspergers). None would have been better off dead. And yes, I do believe there is a genetic component.

 

[Barber Shop]

Truth be told I take your input, as well meaning as it may be, with a few grains of salt.

http://het.sagepub.com/content/31/10/1012.full

Salt causes autism.


ETA: If you give me a few minutes I can create a web page that says this is true, that way you will have irrefutable proof.

 

[crhkrebs]

Clayton, you must be so proud. You started off with what you thought was an insightful topic on the Science and Medicine board and your efforts have caused it to degenerate it to the Conspiracy Theory board. Good work, buddy. Your efforts have placed your views on vaccination right next to Bigfoot DNA and alien rectal probing. In other words, just where it belongs.

By the way, how is that evidence coming along? You know, the evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism. Found any yet?

 

[crhkrebs]

Salt causes autism.

Are you sure? I thought salt causes high blood pressure, and high blood pressure causes autism. Along with vaccines, of course.

I read that on the internet

 

[Clayton Moore]

ETA: If you give me a few minutes I can create a web page that says this is true, that way you will have irrefutable proof.[/QUOTE]

When you're done, since it's quite possible most of your vaccine effectiveness has lapsed or become threadbare, you can go get MMR, varicella, Hib, pneumococcal conjugate vaccine [PCV], pediatric diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis [DTaP], inactivated poliovirus [IPV], hepatitis A, hepatitis B, AVA and influenza vaccine shots as a booster since there is no exact limit on the number of injections during a visit.

I suggest all the rabid vaxers do the same.

rab·id
adj.
3. Extremely zealous or enthusiastic; fanatical: a rabid football fan.

 

[Giordano]

When you're done, since it's quite possible most of your vaccine effectiveness has lapsed or become threadbare, you can go get MMR, varicella, Hib, pneumococcal conjugate vaccine [PCV], pediatric diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis [DTaP], inactivated poliovirus [IPV], hepatitis A, hepatitis B, AVA and influenza vaccine shots as a booster since there is no exact limit on the number of injections during a visit.

I suggest all the rabid vaxers do the same.

rab·id
adj.
3. Extremely zealous or enthusiastic; fanatical: a rabid football fan.

I know that you think you are insulting those who favor vaccinations, but in fact your post represents a wonderful public health notice! Thank you!

We should all be certain our own vaccinations, and those for who we love, are up to date! I have already had the seasonal flu vaccine, and will soon update others.

The polio vaccine is, however, not necessary in much of the world; only in areas where political strife has interfered with immunization programs. The booster schedules for the different vaccines vary; I usually check with my doctor because my memory of the dates of my prior boosters is often inaccurate.

Rab-id: 1. adj. infected with the rabies virus. This disease is almost always lethal in humans unless the initial site of infection is distal and a series of immunizations can be initiated early. One of the most dramatic demonstrations of the power of vaccinations was the saving of the life of a child, Joseph Meister, by Pasteur by use of this method. There is a legend, likely untrue, that the adult Meister was killed by German Nazi occupiers when he refused to desecrate Pasteur's tomb. The meaning of the term rabid has changed as rabies in humans has become very rare due to preventative vaccinations of dogs.

 

[Stamuel]

Rab-id: 1. adj. infected with the rabies virus. This disease is almost always lethal in humans unless the initial site of infection is distal and a series' of immunizations can be initiated early. One of the most dramatic demonstrations of the power of vaccinations was the saving of the life of a child, Joseph Meister, by Pasteur by use of this method. There is a legend, likely untrue, that the adult Meister was killed by German Nazi occupiers when he refused to desecrate Pasteur's tomb. The meaning of the term rabid has changed as rabies in human's has become very rare due to preventative vaccinations of dogs.

In addition to the perverse fun of marveling at the contorted wackiness conspiracy theorists come up with, I learn a lot from following these threads. The story of Pasteur, Meister and the rabies vaccine is very interesting. And another example of vaccine success. Clay can't even insult people without running into more evidence he is wrong to oppose vaccines.

 

[ehcks]

\When you're done, since it's quite possible most of your vaccine effectiveness has lapsed or become threadbare, you can go get MMR, varicella, Hib, pneumococcal conjugate vaccine [PCV], pediatric diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis [DTaP], inactivated poliovirus [IPV], hepatitis A, hepatitis B, AVA and influenza vaccine shots as a booster since there is no exact limit on the number of injections during a visit.

Dunno about him, but I'm seven years ahead of you. You have to get quite a list of vaccines in military boot camp. Not a single side effect from any of them.

And no autism here.

 

[Tomtomkent]

I know healthy adults 21-50 who get thrown for a loop by a LONE flu shot.

And is there any evidence that juveniles and infants react the same way, or are given the same vaccine? Or that ALL the vaccines given have the same reaction? We discussing a spectrum of shots, not multiple doses of the flu shot. Oh, and would multiple doeses increase the level of adverse reaction at all? You can of course substantiatte your observations with evidence.

 

[zooterkin]

I know healthy adults 21-50 who get thrown for a loop by a LONE flu shot.

You do? How did you establish cause and effect?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I know that you think you are insulting those who favor vaccinations, but in fact your post represents a wonderful public health notice! Thank you!

Insult? I want the adult vaxers to experience the silent injuries and suffering, unrecognized as being caused by vaccines, wreaked on generation after generation of children by an omnipotent cadre of profiteers who trumpet omniscience.

Every vaxer should be required to get the AVA schedule.

It seems vaxers will never get it until they get it.

 

[Clayton Moore]

And is there any evidence that juveniles and infants react the same way, or are given the same vaccine? Or that ALL the vaccines given have the same reaction? We discussing a spectrum of shots, not multiple doses of the flu shot. Oh, and would multiple doeses increase the level of adverse reaction at all? You can of course substantiatte your observations with evidence.

I assure you putting more foreign materials into the human body is among the loosest of medical canons.

It's right up there with medieval leeching, chemo, hysterectomies and witch burning.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Rab-id: 1. adj. infected with the rabies virus. This disease is almost always lethal in humans unless the initial site of infection is distal and a series of immunizations can be initiated early. One of the most dramatic demonstrations of the power of vaccinations was the saving of the life of a child, Joseph Meister, by Pasteur by use of this method. There is a legend, likely untrue, that the adult Meister was killed by German Nazi occupiers when he refused to desecrate Pasteur's tomb. The meaning of the term rabid has changed as rabies in humans has become very rare due to preventative vaccinations of dogs.

You need a new dictionary if it has that as the "1." definition of rabid.

 

[Tomtomkent]

I assure you putting more foreign materials into the human body is among the loosest of medical canons.

It's right up there with medieval leeching, chemo, hysterectomies and witch burning.

And yet I seem to remember typing the word "evidence" not "assurance from somebody whose understanding of medicine and biology has shown to be flawed".

I will assume that no, you can not provide evidence for the points I raised.

 

[Tomtomkent]

You need a new dictionary if it has that as the "1." definition of rabid.

Please identify where you feel the definition is factually innacurate.

 

[Stamuel]

I assure you putting more foreign materials into the human body is among the loosest of medical canons.



It's right up there with medieval leeching, chemo, hysterectomies and witch burning.

You think vaccines are bad, I've heard people claim we need to eat and drink every day. And not just a little, several ounces to pounds of food and comparable amounts of drink. The law to keep out all foreign substances somehow slipped the minds of these deranged quacks. Clearly BigAgra shills.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Please identify where you feel the definition is factually innacurate.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rabid

Definition of RABID
1
a : extremely violent : furious
b : going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion <rabid editorials> <a rabid supporter>
2
: affected with rabies

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rabid

rab·id
[rab-id] Show IPA
adjective
1.
irrationally extreme in opinion or practice: a rabid isolationist; a rabid baseball fan.
2.
furious or raging; violently intense: a rabid hunger.
3.
affected with or pertaining to rabies; mad.
Origin:
1605–15; < Latin rabidus raving, furious, mad, equivalent to rab ( ere ) to rave, be mad + -idus -id4

 

[Tomtomkent]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rabid




http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rabid

So you confirm that rabid being descrtibed as pertaining to rabies is factually correct. Is there anything else you wish to confirm or discount? Or is the revelation here that dictionaries may list definitions in differing order?

Let me make it simple clayton, hilight any sentence in the definition given you feel is not factually accurate. That and that alone was what i asked. Not your opinion of the order of listing.

 

[dafydd]

I assure you putting more foreign materials into the human body is among the loosest of medical canons.

It's right up there with medieval leeching, chemo, hysterectomies and witch burning.

I presume you mean ''cannons''. No foreign material in the body. So you don't eat or drink.