JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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vtbub said:
I see that one of our deli-lover's source links came from our other resident hit-and-spammer bobtaftfan.
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"Watch as Admiral Nagumo and the Kido Butai time travel to Dealy Plaza 22 years into the future, finding a Marxist ex-Marine who nearly foils their murderous mission armed only with curtain rods..."
 
BazBear said:
"Watch as Admiral Nagumo and the Kido Butai time travel to Dealy Plaza 22 years into the future, finding a Marxist ex-Marine who nearly foils their murderous mission armed only with curtain rods..."
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That wins the internet!
 
Walter Ego said:
If I believed in God, I would ask Him to forgive me for starting this thread. :(
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Actually, I'm glad you started it, Walter. Before this thread I thought, like many American's, that it was vaguely possible for there to have been others involved in the murder of JFK beyond Lee Harvey Oswald. Thanks to the seemingly tireless efforts of Robert, and the responses to him, I am now certain that the only one involved was Lee Harvey Oswald (beyond possibly the Cubans enabling LHO).
 
LSSBB said:
Actually, I'm glad you started it, Walter. Before this thread I thought, like many American's, that it was vaguely possible for there to have been others involved in the murder of JFK beyond Lee Harvey Oswald. Thanks to the seemingly tireless efforts of Robert, and the responses to him, I am now certain that the only one involved was Lee Harvey Oswald (beyond possibly the Cubans enabling LHO).
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Thanks. I tried to introduce the Cuban connection which, to my mind, remains the only unanswered question about the assassination but most people were only interested in playing footsie with Robert under the table.
 
LSSBB said:
Actually, I'm glad you started it, Walter. Before this thread I thought, like many American's, that it was vaguely possible for there to have been others involved in the murder of JFK beyond Lee Harvey Oswald. Thanks to the seemingly tireless efforts of Robert, and the responses to him, I am now certain that the only one involved was Lee Harvey Oswald (beyond possibly the Cubans enabling LHO).
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Walter: While, as anyone can obviously see, I like to have a little fun in this thread, I too am glad you started it. I had come to the conclusion that LHO was the lone assassin years ago (with the same caveat as LSSBB that there is a slight chance of some Cuban instigation), but I have learned quite a bit more about the assassination from following the responses to the CT proponents claims. While it has become much too long, and a bit tedious at times (what with all of the fringe resets attempted by certain posters) it's still been very worthwhile.
 
Robert Prey said:
So how many witnesses do you or TomTom have for that dime sized bullet entrance wound in the back of the head as illustrated in the Rydberg Drawing????

Obviously, Zero You are out of ammo, but then I do repeat myself.
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Oh LOOK, LOOK Robert trying to change the subject - how cute

Robert where are your 40+ medicals? That question will be asked until you admit you are wrong. No fringe reset for you my dear boy

Robert did you know that Jesus cries each time you lie?

lol
 
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Moment of Truth, O Ye of Little Faith

Here.

Includes doctors, nurses, med techs, photo techs, x-ray techs, autopsy techs, undertakers, etc. Does not even include the many non-medical witnesses. This list of witness proofs, previously provided, but deleted by the Mod. The evidence is overwhelming. More than one shooter. Thus, a conspiracy. Pooh-poohers may take their shots, but will only be addressed one at a time.
 
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Would that be the previously provided and deleted list in which less than 40 of the people named were medical professionals?
 
BazBear said:
Walter: While, as anyone can obviously see, I like to have a little fun in this thread, I too am glad you started it. I had come to the conclusion that LHO was the lone assassin years ago (with the same caveat as LSSBB that there is a slight chance of some Cuban instigation), but I have learned quite a bit more about the assassination from following the responses to the CT proponents claims. While it has become much too long, and a bit tedious at times (what with all of the fringe resets attempted by certain posters) it's still been very worthwhile.
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I would completely echo that.

If there is any conspiracy here, LHO would have been involved part and parcel.

Like with some of the other foolish general claims on this board, my knowledge of things such as the Moon shots, Pearl Harbor and this topic have been highly enriched.
 
The list Robert linked to, with those who have already failed to withstand scrutiny in the last 200 pages crossed out by myself.

1. KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland

2, ROBERT McCLELLAND, MD:

3, MARION THOMAS JENKINS, MD:

4. CHARLES JAMES CARRICO, MD

5. MALCOLM PERRY, MD:

6. RONALD COY JONES: was a senior General Surgery resident physician

7. GENE AIKIN, MD: an anesthesiologist at Parkland

8. PAUL PETERS, MD: a resident physician

9. CHARLES CRENSHAW, MD: a resident physician

10. CHARLES RUFUS BAXTER, MD: a resident physician

11. ROBERT GROSSMAN, MD

12. RICHARD BROOKS DULANEY, MD: was a first year general surgery resident

13. ADOLPH GIESECKE, MD: an assistant professor of anesthesiology

14. FOUAD BASHOUR, MD: an associate professor of medicine

15. KENNETH EVERETT SALYER, MD: was an intern

16 PAT HUTTON, RN: a nurse

17. Nurse DIANA HAMILTON BOWRON
18. JOHN STRINGER: was the autopsy photographer.

19. MORTICIAN TOM ROBINSON

20. ROBERT FREDERICK KARNEI, MD: Bethesda pathologist,

21. PAUL KELLY O'CONNOR

22. JAMES CURTIS JENKINS

23. RICHARD A. LIPSEY: an aide to General Wehle (NOTE: NOT A MEDICAL WITNESS)

24. EDWARD REED: one of two X-ray technicians

25. JERROL CUSTER: the other X-ray technician

26. JAN GAIL RUDNICKI: Dr. Boswell's lab assistant

27. JAMES E. METZLER: was a hospital corpsman

28. JOHN EBERSOLE, MD: was Assistant Chief of Radiology

29, SAUNDRA KAY SPENCER (NOTE: Robert has been shown that the photographs Mrs Spencer claims she did not take are those produced before her "cleaned up" and "sanitised" versions from Mrs Spencers own testimony)

30. FLOYD RIEBE Despite Roberts misunderstanding the Occipital wound described coinforms with the WC conclusions.

31. JAN GAIL RUDNICKI: Dr. Boswell's lab assistant

32. Doris Nelson, a chief nurse at Parkland Hospital.

33. Surgeon David Stewart:

34. Dr. William H. Zedlitz,

35. Dr. Jackie Hansen Hunt, Anesthesiologist

36. Nurse Margaret M. Hinchliffe

37. Dr. Don Teel Curtis, Resident Oral Surgeon

38. Dr.Philip Williams

39. Billy Harper,Med Student.

40. WILLIAM PITZER, Navy x-ray technician

41. Joseph E.Hagan, Chief Asst. to Joseph H. Gawler, undertaker


So even allowing that Robert believes the testemony that has already been debunked, returned to context, shown to be consistant with the WC findings, etc. We still have a problem. Undertakers and political aids are not medical witnesses. So if we extend the benefit of the doubt to its very limit, and consider technical witnesses in a tangentlaly medical field (Photographers for example who are photographers and NOT qualified to diagnose the bodies they photograph) that allows a MAXIMUM of 39 "Medical" wintnesses under any reasonable use of the term.

39<40
 
Let's remove Doc Carrico from the list. He stated in the 27th May 1992 Journal of the American Medical Association, "Nothing we observed contradicts the autopsy finding that the bullets were fired from above and behind by a high-powered rifle".
 
vtbub said:
The Parkland doctors never turned him over. They never saw his backside.
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Which not only makes it impossible to have seen the "dictated drawing" (which was not dictated but derived) it emphasises that the rear portion of the head visible is compatible with the WC interpretation.

One must also ask why doctors would make statements that JFK lay on his back and was not rolled over if that meant the gaping wound and open portion of the head as Robert implies, was on the bed. Was emptying the skull cavity onto the pillow a sign of the competence of these doctors, or is Robert wrong in his cherrypicked and misunderstood representation?
 
Straw Man said:
It seems to be the very same.
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Or names culled from the same. IIRC correctly Robert previously cut and paste a list of indiscriminate names. This time he has selected those he thinks have a Medical status. As we can see he has had to stretch this to those at the autopsy with no medical or with technical standing which is dubious and probably from his need to meet his self inflicted quota.

Had he acknowledged his mistake of referring to his previous list of 40 witnesses as 40 Medical witnesses this may have been avoided.


At the risk of repetition, we have photographs of the wounds in the Plaza that match the film of the shooting, that match the autopsy record, that match the photographs from the ahutopsy that are "raw" (Fliebe) and "sanitised" (Spencer) versions, and no physicalevidence any of these were faked. We have descriptions Robert himself posted that fit with the photographic record, and we have witnesses Robert himself has introduced that contradict each other, admit to creative and poetic license in their books (describing acentral role they did not have in the treatment of JFK) or claiming the brain others studied in detail was not there. We have even seen that some of Roberts claims can not stand if you read testemony beyond the cherry picked sentences (why else would you suggest Spencer wasdenouncing the photographs as utter forgeries when she simply stated she wasbeing shown a roll she did not take, let alone that the wounds must have been altered with wax when she admits her photos were of a sanitised and reconstructed body created from wax, implying the "wrong" photos were the more accurate record?) Or if you look beyond the enlarged and bolded "occipital" to the next word "temporal".

Human memory is fluid. We decieve ourselves and honestly misremember. Annectdotes are not evidence to a critical thinker, they are claims. They are the most basic and most faliable form of evidence. The reason other forms have such controls is entirely because they can disprove verbal testemony. Robert can claim otherwise as loudly as he wishes but only proves himself to be burying his head in the sand, exactly as he accuses others of.
 
Tomtomkent;8939462 Human memory is fluid. We decieve ourselves and honestly misremember. Annectdotes are not evidence to a critical thinker said:
Valid if speaking of one witness. Not so valid when more than one. Completely invalid if there are scores witnesses. 40 plus is a slam dunk. Still waiting for a single witness that affirms the Rydberg Drawing that duped the Warren Commission.

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