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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
Do you scream for 24/7? Do you remain silent for 24/7? Do you have to be attended to all your waking hours? No? Then stop pretending you are one the autism victims I am talking about.
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How does someone scream and remain silent 24/7? Are you aware that your definition is not a medical definition of "autism"? Are you aware that you have been repeatedly using "facts" about autism that don't actually refer exclusively to the subset of autism victims you claim are True Autistics?

Border Reiver said:
I believe that you fail to understand that autism is a SPECTRUM of developmental disorders - ranging from mild to severe. You seem to be emphasizing the more severe side of the spectrum there and ignoring the rest of it.

Would that be because that is your pre-judged idea of what it should be and you cannot conceive that you may be wrong? Thereby forcing you to ignore contrary opinions or facts? This seems to be a pattern that is really hard for you to break, not just in this thread, but in others as well. It's like you've grabbed hold of this idea and are so focused on it that you can't let it go, somewhat like certain autistic types might do when perseverating on a sound or activity.
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I doubt it was pre-judged, seeing as he only whipped out this definition when challenged by an actual autistic person, despite already contradicting it. He seems to have moved his personal goalposts, then rewritten his memories so that was what he was "actually talking about all along".

Of course, he could just be incompetent at expressing himself, and somehow managed to never bring it up in the almost two years since he started the thread.

Clayton Moore said:
I can't even say "It's a thought." Multiple factors culminating in causing autism in 1 1/2 year old toddlers world wide?
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You can't conceive of things that damage your hypothesis, we know. Incredulity is not an argument.

Giordano said:
I know this has been pointed out to you before, but I don't mind repeating it:

1. Are vaccines truly the only "external intrusion" that you can possibly think of that has increased in the locations that have increased autism diagnoses? Cell phone use? Disposable diapers? Computer access? Age of parents at first childbirth? Starbucks? Plastic packaging? Etc, etc, etc. All dramatically increased over the same time period!
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You forgot "public awareness of autism".

Giordano said:
You brought up this fallacy about lack of controls for vaccine tests multiple times in this thread, and were shown to be wrong multiple times, including relatively recently. Why do you persist? Either explain why the posts correcting you are wrong, or stop making an erroneous claim. Don't change he subject or disappear from the thread for a week; prove you are right. ...
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Including the very first post in the thread.

Bram Kaandorp said:
Probably not at all, because he doesn't acknowledge anything that doesn't agree with him.

Like me!
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Unless he can somehow rationalize it away, even if it contradicts his earlier claims.
 
000063:

Your post was very clear, but it will fall on deaf ears, but not for the usual reasons.

Clayton has been suspended, so we won't hear from him for some (if any) time.

Still, great post.
 
Whooping Cough Idiocy

http://experimentalvaccines.org/2013/01/14/whooping-cough-outbreak-involved-90-vaccinated-kids/

Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% Vaccinated Kids

Vermont has declared a statewide epidemic of whooping cough that started in 2012 and has continued into the year 2013. To date there has been a total of 612 confirmed cases of pertussis of which 90% have been vaccinated against the bacteria with the Tdap vaccine. The New England Journal of Medicine released a study that parallels this outbreak showing that of the confirmed cases of whooping cough the majored of them, 80%, had received multiple Tdap vaccinations most receiving 5 or 6 doses. The mainstream media have decided the only way to prevent the spread of the bacteria is to have everyone get their vaccinations refusing to acknowledge the overwhelming connection between vaccinated patients and outbreak victims. These vaccines have managed to damage and weaken the immune systems of children and adults leading to epidemic levels of fully vaccinated people becoming sick and contagious.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012/12/13/whooping-cough-epidemic-declared-in-vermont/1768527/

Neither TDap nor the child version of the vaccine, DTaP, is foolproof. A majority of the 522 cases are in vaccinated children, Kelso said, adding that the effectiveness fades as years pass. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website, DTaP vaccines are 80 percent to 90 percent effective, and "about seven of 10 kids are fully protected five years after getting their last dose." Children typically receive five doses of DTaP between the age of 2 months and 6 years.
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5 doses between the age of 2 months and 6 years old? At what point do you wake up and say the DTap vaccine doesn't work?
 
How many children had whooping cough, and how many children were vaccinated?
 
So only 80% of those who infected were vaccinated? You mean when 20% are not vaccinated herd immunity is compromised?

Yes, those 20% who were not vaccinated were selfish idiots who allowed many more to suffer by reducing herd immunity.

Trying to spin this as anti vaccine because you continue to fail to understand how vaccination works is frankly a very silly idea.


So what percentage of the vaccinated populous did those who fell victim to the disease represent?
 
Clayton Moore said:
5 doses between the age of 2 months and 6 years old? At what point do you wake up and say the DTap vaccine doesn't work?
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At what point do you wake up and realize your alarmist and misinformed anti-vax nonsense is...well...nonsense?

Unlike most of the conspiracy theory crap I see you promoting, the anti-vax clown wagon you've hopped on is demonstrably dangerous. But I guess you don't care about the millions who would get sick, and possibly die, if they followed you and your ilk's willfully ignorant and idiotic ideas about vaccines and medicine in general.

Clayton, feel free to avoid vaccines and any other mainstream medical treatments, if that is your wont. But I hope you really don't expect too many people with two or more neurons left firing to follow your lead.
 
BazBear said:
At what point do you wake up and realize your alarmist and misinformed anti-vax nonsense is...well...nonsense?

Unlike most of the conspiracy theory crap I see you promoting, the anti-vax clown wagon you've hopped on is demonstrably dangerous. But I guess you don't care about the millions who would get sick, and possibly die, if they followed you and your ilk's willfully ignorant and idiotic ideas about vaccines and medicine in general.

Clayton, feel free to avoid vaccines and any other mainstream medical treatments, if that is your wont. But I hope you really don't expect too many people with two or more neurons left firing to follow your lead.
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So they require multiple DTaP jabs but 90% of the confirmed whooping cough cases received multiple DTaP jabs. Doesn't that pretty much mean that the DTaP vaccine doesn't work?
 
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