2 questions re 1120 'Missing bodies' from WTC 1&2 & media complicity in mass murder

[Jbui]

----off topic----
let's say that it doesn't matter who did 9/11, but you all could correct the harm of things Cheney et al caused, by winning back the 3-5 Trillion dollars that has been wasted, and saving all the +1.000.000 lives. So everyone gets a instant cash prize of 10.000$ and every 1/300 citizen becomes a true hero by saving a persons life/or saving his own life. Sound good?

 

[Jbui]

You are full of nonsense.

thanks - I'm getting quite a lot of this ad hominen attack now, which proves my basic theory, that Debunking is much about boosting one's ego by calling the opponent "idiot" so that you should not question your own views.

You think the WTC towers were destroyed by CD and you use fantasy physics to prove it.

... take physics.

The parts ejected are hit by the building falling. It is physics, it is the way the WTC was designed. The neat part about the WTC collapse, the chief engineer says it fell as it should after impacts and fire. Kind of makes your claims of CD a big failure due to your own ignorance of physics.

BTW, if you drop a desk desk from 1000 feet, then crush it with tons of steel from 1,000 feet, it will be less than a desk. Why do you make up what you think should happen, and ignore what happened?

You have no clue what KE is, and how energy works.

Can't wait for your take on the flying done on 911.

The building was not blown up on 911, so your blown up body has no connection with backing in your delusion of CD.

You have failed to get anything right; did you fail physics?

My last grade in Physics was 10/10. If you drop a desk 1000 feet, then drop tons of steel on top of it - do you get powder? Please answer

 

[Jbui]

Can you tell me when the bones were found ?

There were bones found in the 1300 feet debris field right after and years later. Only quote that I remember now was a part of hip bone found two blocks away in the dust. So during the clean up. And then there was the bone fragments from the deutche bank roof top.

 

[beachnut]

----off topic----
let's say that it doesn't matter who did 9/11, but you all could correct the harm of things Cheney et al caused, by winning back the 3-5 Trillion dollars that has been wasted, and saving all the +1.000.000 lives. So everyone gets a instant cash prize of 10.000$ and every 1/300 citizen becomes a true hero by saving a persons life/or saving his own life. Sound good?

Wow, you go from woo to politics. Wrong forum.

Being anti-war is cool, but why can't you be anti-loon; all of 911 truth is lies, and you repeat them freely.

Why do you accept anti-intellectual claptrap as Gospel, yet you are anti-war? Not logical.

Take your political claptrap to the correct forum - you can't do physics and are a good 911 truther who can't figure out 911.
19 terrorists did it, they were murderers - who did it in your fantasy world?

I was not talking about the objects falling down faster that the crushing, but flying sideways faster than the crushing advanced downward. and as I already posted earlier, in a collapse there should be nothing flying 90 degrees sideways at all. And if you are supposed to "bounce" or "spring" something sideways, you need to see that part first fall or be hit by something that falls. In the videos we see parts ejecting one after another without anything hitting them, or those pieces falling on anything.

More nonsense. The parts ejected were hit by the building collapsing. There were zero explosives used on 911. You must of missed the aircraft impacts and fires.

You also failed to comprehend the energy released by the collapse; E=mgh, once again physics debunks your made up junk common sense physics, cartoon physics.

There were zero bodies blown up on 911, they were crushed by the collapse. E=mgh, was released, it did all the damage, along with fires equal to more than 2,500 TONS of thermite in heat energy - before the towers collapsed; and even more fire following the collapse. You should have take physics instead of a degree from Google U.

Your 300 percent, 30 percent, and 70 percent nonsense prove you don't understand physics. Better move on to your next fantasy for 911.

 

[Spanx]

There were bones found in the 1300 feet debris field right after and years later. Only quote that I remember now was a part of hip bone found two blocks away in the dust. So during the clean up. And then there was the bone fragments from the deutche bank roof top.

So how do you know that these bones ended up on roof tops due to the buildings collapse ?

It's far more logical that the bones were carried there by birds eating the flesh off the bones.

Just to add, where did you find the hip bone quote ?

 

[beachnut]

thanks - I'm getting quite a lot of this ad hominen attack now, which proves my basic theory, that Debunking is much about boosting one's ego by calling the opponent "idiot" so that you should not question your own views.

My last grade in Physics was 10/10. If you drop a desk 1000 feet, then drop tons of steel on top of it - do you get powder? Please answer

You failed physics because you can't apply it.
You get a smashed desk.

As an air force accident investigator I learned in high energy impacts the human body is reduced to parts that don't resemble a body. Looks like you have no experience in reality.

With the energy of over 130 tons of TNT released during the gravity collapse of Each tower, humans would be reduced to small parts, because the one acre the towers sit on, are hit by 110 one acre floors, which have the energy of 130 tons of TNT. Feel free to tell me how much energy is required to destroy a body, and then subtract that from the 130 TONS of TNT, for each body. Go ahead wow us with your physics; do the MATH please.

You make up what you think should happen based on failure. What happen to your 10/10? Was that college or grade school?

Zero humans on 911 were exposed to blast effects from bombs, and there were zero sounds of explosives on 911. Go ahead spew more lies from 911 truth, you googled them up and believe them.

You version of physics was not used at my engineering schools. Where did you get your engineering degree? Your Masters?

How much energy was used to blow up the body in your first post; give us some of that 10/10 physics you are famous for. How much energy does it take to do your destroyed human? Got math? Physics?


You don't like Cheney, so you lie about 911? Not logical... (BTW, Cheney is not in office)

Sure, everything was blown up...
http://amhistory.si.edu/september11/collection/record.asp?ID=42
oops, no explosives, and thing not turned to dust with Judy's beam weapon, the old dustifier.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...m/2011/09/06/gIQASoPpCK_gallery.html#photo=14
oops, more stuff

Dust? you are 911 truth. 11 years of failure, and apologizing for terrorists with lies about 911.

 

[Oystein]

so let me get this straight, the building was standing, holding 100% of it's weight without getting any damage to lower portion. when Top portion started accelerating with 0,7G, leaving 30% of it's weight on lower portion, suddenly that 0,3 was enought to pulverize the lower portion? Right?

Jbui, I responded to an argument which you had started with the words "About the eneregy", and my reply stared with "Yes, let's talk about energy!"

So - let's talk about energy, ok?
You talk about forces in the quote.
Do you understand that force and energy are two different things, and you can't compare 30% of energy with 300% of weight to make a logically sound argument?

as a lay man I'll just tell you a simple logic what I use. In CD, you need to detonate the lower 1/3 of the building and pre-weaken the top. Building has at least 300% safety factor. Without any calculations, you need to surpass that 300% safety factor, and if you detonate that lower 1/3, and it's ok for the crushing to decelerate, you can preweaken the top to safetyfactor of say 150 %, and propably your CD will go all the way down. With WTC 1&2-buildings you could not do preweakenings, and that "piston" was just a cloud of dust after beginning of the operation, so you had to go with explosives all the way down. With WTC7, you could preweaken the structure(like the stairwell where Barry ja Mr Hess were), but you still had to detonate quite many floors(the free fall part), for the gravity to do the rest.

Just answer a simple question, don't go into all that detail, Jbui.

Here it is again:

Suppose, as you do, the gravitational energy does not suffice, i.e. what is needed to crumble the towers is much more than was available from gravity alone! How much additional energy would you need? Twice as much? Before I continue, I want you Jbui, to commit to an answer here. If the potential energy from gravity stored in a tower does not suffice, in your opinion, how much more do you need then?
1% more?
5% more?
25% more?
100 % more?
500% more?
Pick the minimum with which you could live!

(It seems you think that 300% of the potential energy is a minimum, so you'd need to add at least 200%, as 100% is the potential energy itself. You could confirm that, or give another answer)

 

[Oystein]

----off topic----
let's say that it doesn't matter who did 9/11, but you all could correct the harm of things Cheney et al caused, by winning back the 3-5 Trillion dollars that has been wasted, and saving all the +1.000.000 lives. So everyone gets a instant cash prize of 10.000$ and every 1/300 citizen becomes a true hero by saving a persons life/or saving his own life. Sound good?

Yes - if I can marry Snowwhite on top of that

 

[fitzgibbon]

There were bones found in the 1300 feet debris field right after and years later. Only quote that I remember now was a part of hip bone found two blocks away in the dust. So during the clean up. And then there was the bone fragments from the deutche bank roof top.

Whose hip bone? Was the previous owner identified? Why does a continual lack of understanding on your part constitute an emergency of some sort?

Fitz

 

[Jbui]

Bro? Hi! 70 percent of the available energy was not expended in accelerating the mass. Where in the hell did you get that? Gravity did it!

Further, you mention 30 percent energy available to break stuff, but then mention a 300 percent safety factor. That makes no sense whatsoever, 30 percent of what? 300 percent of what? My bumper is designed to withstand 300 percent of its weight and I was only going 30 percent of my car's to speed of 150 when I crashed, so the bumper should be fine, right?

Lolz

"70 percent of the available energy was not expended in accelerating the mass. Where in the hell did you get that? Gravity did it!".Maybe you should go easier on the lolz...OK. 70% of the gravitational energy was used to accelerate the fall of the tower. So there was even less force against the supporting structure. Think that you are in an high speed elevator, standing on a scale that is on top of a chair that can hold the weight of 3 guys. The elevator starts descending in a very rapid speed, with 0,7G acceleration. The scale now shows that you have lost 70% of your weight, and you feel very light. The Chair held your weight well before start of the descending, and now you feel that you are flying - and the chair does not get almost any pressure at all. Do you think it should pulverize now under your feet? Then the elevator reaches ground floor, decelerates fast, scale shows, let's say 3 times your weight, and finally the chair cracks, and we can see that you have lost all the kinetic energy, i.e. you are not moving anymore.

 

[Jbui]

Whose hip bone? Was the previous owner identified? Why does a continual lack of understanding on your part constitute an emergency of some sort?

Fitz

Sorry, I do not have the guys name. If I would just talk about debris would that help you? If I say computer part, do you need a model name?

 

[Jbui]

1. Airliner impacts building with momentum carry various and sundry
material beyond the building (2 blocks is very easily achievable)
2. Floor collapses, person inside tower is pinned between the floors (but
that's moot for the most part [though it's conceivable that bodies/body
parts made up some of the fast-moving ejecta seen emanating from the
collapsing structure
3. [No additional vector really require]
4. few small pieces of bones of the person are found two blocks away

FTFY

HTH
Fitz

-so two planes threw all these people in all these directions? And fitzgibbon, do you need names for all these people? Let's try this again, fill in the parts 2 & 3.
1. Floor collapses, person inside tower is pinned between the floors.
2.
3.
4. few small pieces of bones of the person are found two blocks away

 

[Jbui]

(It seems you think that 300% of the potential energy is a minimum, so you'd need to add at least 200%, as 100% is the potential energy itself. You could confirm that, or give another answer)

you got it right, if safety factor is 3, add 200% energy, and you are close. Of course with asymmetric damage, especially with wtc2 you should see a tipping of the top with less energy. On the other hand the pulverization, ejecting the objects, accelerating the fall, heating the dust cloud and forming the molten metal requires a lot more energy than +200% of potential energy. But this is off topic, let's concentrate on the human parts flown +1000 feet away from the buildings.

 

[Spanx]

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-so two planes threw all these people in all these directions? And fitzgibbon, do you need names for all these people? Let's try this again, fill in the parts 2 & 3.
1. Floor collapses, person inside tower is pinned between the floors.
2.
3.
4. few small pieces of bones of the person are found two blocks away

How did the bones get in the drainage system ?

 

[carlitos]

I was not talking about the objects falling down faster that the crushing, but flying sideways faster than the crushing advanced downward. and as I already posted earlier, in a collapse there should be nothing flying 90 degrees sideways at all. And if you are supposed to "bounce" or "spring" something sideways, you need to see that part first fall or be hit by something that falls. In the videos we see parts ejecting one after another without anything hitting them, or those pieces falling on anything.

Here is one mechanism. There are many more.

 

[Animal]

So how do you know that these bones ended up on roof tops due to the buildings collapse ?

It's far more logical that the bones were carried there by birds eating the flesh off the bones.

Just to add, where did you find the hip bone quote ?

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There were also human remains found in a manhole quite some time after the cleanup.....as gruesome as it is, birds and rodents easily moved remains from their original location.

 

[Animal]

Building has at least 300% safety factor. Without any calculations,

Like death and taxes, a troofer making stuff up to back his claim is inevitable.

 

[Oystein]

you got it right, if safety factor is 3, add 200% energy, and you are close. Of course with asymmetric damage, especially with wtc2 you should see a tipping of the top with less energy. On the other hand the pulverization, ejecting the objects, accelerating the fall, heating the dust cloud and forming the molten metal requires a lot more energy than +200% of potential energy. But this is off topic, let's concentrate on the human parts flown +1000 feet away from the buildings.

I think this is very much on topic, and very relevant that you carry through this line of reasoning

So we need 200% of the available potential energy in addition to the available potential energy to destroy the towers - in plain language: Twice as much energy.

Do you know how much potential energy there was? Ballpark figure will do. (I do know, and can provide the number)

 

[Spanx]

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There were also human remains found in a manhole quite some time after the cleanup.....as gruesome as it is, birds and rodents easily moved remains from their original location.

I couldn't agree more, unfortunately some people will never look at the bigger picture.

I recall seeing images of people gasping for air through broken windows, I see no reason why their body parts would not travel with the steel during the collapse.

I guess some people expected people to be waiting at the lift in the centre of the building

 

[Jbui]

You are using 911 truth as your sources; this is funny, 11 years and the best you have is lies. The best.

WTC 3 stopped the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 and the result...

22 stories were reduced to three stories standing. Oh, yes, you are prepared to discuss 911 and spew lies from 911 truth; as prepared as the rest of 911 truth, which spread lies and fools those who refuse to do their own research.
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http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/1111aWTC3destroyed.jpg
Wow, 22 stories still standing. Wait, 1, 2, 3... darn. What was your point.

BTW, don't use the Internet 911 truth nut web sites as your source of information.
BTW, http://911research is a truther web site, he thinks the ceiling tiles were made of thermite and caused the WTC destruction. I think meth might be a big player in that conclusion; what do you think? WDYT? WWSD? WWJD?

Good luck, but you are a 911 truther - maybe knowledge and critical thinking can let you see the light.

try this: http://www.whale.to/b/280207wtc3.jpg

Edited by LashL: 

Changed hotlink to regular link. Please see Rule 5.

So WTC3 stopped free falling WTC2 debris, but for some reason WTC2, which was build to hold 110 floors, could not stop the collapse after (imaginary) buckling of few columns.