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Janadele said:
The Lord has given all the evidence he needs to give. Every opportunity has been given to mankind to be able to progress through the eternities. Each individual is responsible for their own salvation. Ignore the Gospel of Jesus Christ at your peril, and spend the eternities regretting the decisions made in mortality.
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This makes me repeat an earlier question of mine you probably missed.
What exactly is there to love about your 'Do as I say or burn/be punished for eternity' version of god?
 
Janadele said:
The Lord has given all the evidence he needs to give. Every opportunity has been given to mankind to be able to progress through the eternities. Each individual is responsible for their own salvation. Ignore the Gospel of Jesus Christ at your peril, and spend the eternities regretting the decisions made in mortality.
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Ah yes, "love me or I'll destroy you". If your god is truly a god, then it will know what is required to make itself known to me. The fact that it seems unable to reveal to me anything much different from every other "god" presented by humanity supports the conclusion that it is just as imaginary as any other "god". It least I can rely on some future Mormon adding me to the list of those to be baptized posthumously, eh?
 
I have zero interest in responding to time wasting imbecile questions or comments which have no relevance to our eternal progression or to the actual teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 
Janadele said:
The Lord has given all the evidence he needs to give. Every opportunity has been given to mankind to be able to progress through the eternities. Each individual is responsible for their own salvation. Ignore the Gospel of Jesus Christ at your peril, and spend the eternities regretting the decisions made in mortality.
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Janadele, I'm jumping in here because this is a bit of a sore spot with Me.

"All the evidence he needs to give"? Well, your hypothetical "Lord" may be satisfied, but I'm not. I don't find the Book of Mormon even remotely convincing, so My particular need for evidence remains unmet.

I'm also curious as to why any god worthy of the name would utilize an individual's mortal life -- An infinitesimal slice of eternity -- as a one-chance-only, pass/fail test to determine that individual's fate in the grand scheme of eternity.

Putting aside for the moment whether any particular scripture is true or false, that makes no sense at all. Really, it doesn't. If we go to kindergarten and forget to raise a hand before going to the washroom, or colour outside the lines, or don't say "Good morning, Ms. Jones!" properly, we don't get summarily slammed into a prison cell for the rest of our natural lives. Neither are we expected to understand quantum physics, or even "1+1=2," until we've learned and practised the necessary skills under proper guidance.

I'm completely underwhelmed by the BoM, and by innumerable other scriptures as well. I'm holding out for something more substantial in the way of divine revelation; in fact, I want nothing less than a one-on-one physical encounter with a god. Surely if it has a genuine concern with the well-being of My supposed soul, it can raise itself to the standard of Ms. Jones in room 101 and take a few moments out of its busy eternity to... You know, sit down and talk to Me in person.

No more middlemen!
 
Janadele said:
I have zero interest in responding to time wasting imbecile questions or comments which have no relevance to our eternal progression or to the actual teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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So, what IS the teaching of the LDS about the loving aspect of your god?
Because everything you've posted so far just has made me less receptive about your religion.
From what I see you advocate blind, unquestioning obeydience out of fear of eternal punishment. Hardly a religion I'd consider learning more of.
 
Empress said:
14 years old? Or was he 16 years old, as in the earliest known account that JS dictated about his first vision? "In the 16th year of my age, the Lord opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord."
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If you're in your 16th year, you're 15 years old. So, it's a discrepancy of only one year.

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Foster Zygote said:
And, apparently, no one can point out any of the clear errors contained within the BoM without this being characterized as "savaging" the book. That is a form of the "poisoning the well" fallacy. The articles are biased. They are produced by an apologist institution for the LDS. If someone is testifying on his own behalf against accusations leveled at him in a court of law, how could his testimony not be regarded as biased, whether it is true or not?

What really matters is the evidence. Why is it that the whole of the scientific community studying human genetics has reached a conclusion that differs from that of the studies published by the Maxwell Institute? Are you now going to characterize the vast majority of the human genetics community as being anti-Mormons bent on "savagely" discrediting the BoM? We aren't talking about about minor inconsistencies or simple errors in language mechanics. The rather grand claims that Joseph Smith wrote in the BoM have absolutely no supporting evidence. There is zero evidence of the civilization described. There is nothing in archaeology, anthropology or hereditary surveys to confirm the claim.
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You are so busted, Skyrider!

I wouldn't care what you choose to believe if you were simply kind, decent people. But you are callous, smug self-righteous evangelists spreading lies and confusion.

If you had any personal honour, you would own up, stand up like a man of heart, search your soul and commit to truth and honest compassionate humility. Retire to a monastery or a log cabin and spend your days praying and doing chores, if you must be a religious drone. Or better yet, keep your mouth shut and help in a homeless shelter, or something.

But you don't, and you won't.
 
Janadele said:
I have zero interest in responding to time wasting imbecile questions or comments which have no relevance to our eternal progression or to the actual teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Then you should not have started this thread. However, seeing that you did and that you don't want to waste time, could you give an example of a comment or question that you WOULD respond to.
 
Janadele said:
Sez me: Please read my previous posts as these already answer your questions... if you then have more questions regarding my conversion to the LDS Church, I will be then happy to answer those as well. :)
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When I first came in here, I told you what had happened to me, and asked you to talk with me about it. You totally ignored me. After a couple of days and repeated requests, you smeared me with some bland unreadable recantations of dogma.

I wanted to hear your mind, but you gave me a pre-recorded script.

When I left the church, I had no problem with Mormons. Like most people, they are nice and fun loving, and the community has a supportive feel to it (as long as it doesn't get into the religious part, where weird ideas arise). I've not thought about the church or had any contact with it in all the years since, apart from a 2 month period after I had some sort of psychotic experience in my early 20s, and went to the church to work through the possibility that I had been under attack spiritually. As described in a recent post above, some of the leaders were arrogant and callous, but the membership were nice enough. Still, I found the mormon church irrelevant at that point. I recovered, not through the church, but through doing volunteer work at Friends of the Earth.

I haven't bothered thinking about Mormonism for decades. I live and let live, generally. But since you started this thread, and treated me as you have, I have grown to detest your lying, hypocritical church.

Keep it up! Good work!
 
By the way, I have never been able to finish reading the Book of Mormon, because it is so badly written, repetitive, and full of war porn!

For a book that's supposed to inspire a higher level of spirituality in its readers it's weirdly lacking in anything like compassionate wisdom, or examples of enlightened thinking.

It's just an embarrassingly bad book.
 
Hi, Janadele.


Janadele said:
I have zero interest in responding to time wasting imbecile questions or comments which have no relevance to our eternal progression or to the actual teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Does this apply to my questions, too?
 
Astreja,
Despite the fact that you are a Spiritual child of "a God", our Heavenly Father, you and most mortals are most probably not worthy of "a one-on-one physical encounter with a god." You are in no position to demand a personal manifestation.

With this Universe and a myriad of Spirit offspring, it is doubtful our Heavenly Father or Jesus Christ will ever visit you personally while in mortality. It is for your benefit, not His, that you accept His love and sacrifice.

However, as I have posted previously, the Spirit of Jesus and the third member of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit is available to guide you to the truth through our Lord's delegated representatives. If you choose to reject this guidance and the Scriptures revealed through His messengers, and will not listen to His Prophets, including Thomas S. Monson who is the Lord's Living Prophet on the earth today... then it is tough luck :D and you take the consequences of your choices.
Astreja said:
Janadele, I'm jumping in here because this is a bit of a sore spot with Me.

"All the evidence he needs to give"? Well, your hypothetical "Lord" may be satisfied, but I'm not. I don't find the Book of Mormon even remotely convincing, so My particular need for evidence remains unmet...

I'm completely underwhelmed by the BoM, and by innumerable other scriptures as well. I'm holding out for something more substantial in the way of divine revelation; in fact, I want nothing less than a one-on-one physical encounter with a god. Surely if it has a genuine concern with the well-being of My supposed soul, it can... take a few moments out of its busy eternity to... You know, sit down and talk to Me in person.

No more middlemen!
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Astreja, As my previous posts have made clear, what you state is not the case, it is far more complicated than that. I suggest you read my previous posts and references. Also, below is an outline of the Plan of Salvation.
Astreja said:
...I'm also curious as to why any god worthy of the name would utilize an individual's mortal life -- An infinitesimal slice of eternity -- as a one-chance-only, pass/fail test to determine that individual's fate in the grand scheme of eternity...
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Janadele said:
Hi pakeha, What is your question?
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Hi, Janadele.
My question is to ask why the Book of Abraham says Egyptus is derived from the Chaldean when we know the word's origin is Greek.

I realise my question is just a detail, especially in light of the on-going discussion of the BOM, so I can be patient about a response there.

I'm also genuinely interested in the questions about your conversion to Mormonism, if you feel comfortable about discussing that here.
 
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