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Are the vegetarians winning?

I thought peanut butter was mostly e coli these days, or salmonella. Shouldn't those count as meat?
 
On a serious note, as a vegan, I do notice that it's certainly gone from "fringe" to "minority". Almost everywhere I go people know what veganism is and you can find vegan food on the menu.

Of course, I do live in Portland. So there's that.
 
Unabogie said:
On a serious note, as a vegan, I do notice that it's certainly gone from "fringe" to "minority". Almost everywhere I go people know what veganism is and you can find vegan food on the menu.

Of course, I do live in Portland. So there's that.
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I myself wonder when concepts like veganism will be largely understood in countries that heavily consume meat, such as Spain or Argentina. I've heard that often in Spain, ham is everywhere (in vegetable dishes, etc). And in Argentina, some consider poultry "vegetarian".

In India, "pure vegetarian" is roughly coterminous with "veganism" (though "pure vegetarian" sometimes includes dairy and honey, but not eggs--it's not as "codified", I guess).
 
Wuglife said:
I myself wonder when concepts like veganism will be largely understood in countries that heavily consume meat, such as Spain or Argentina. I've heard that often in Spain, ham is everywhere (in vegetable dishes, etc). And in Argentina, some consider poultry "vegetarian".

In India, "pure vegetarian" is roughly coterminous with "veganism" (though "pure vegetarian" sometimes includes dairy and honey, but not eggs--it's not as "codified", I guess).
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This is what I mean. That's just not as true any more. Here's the Happy Cow listing for Madrid.

http://www.happycow.net/europe/spain/madrid/

Even there, you can find vegan and "vegan friendly" places. Vegan friendly usually means the restaurant is aware of vegan restrictions and can make their dishes vegan upon request without the "vegan interrogation" that you have to do where they go "Vegan? It's fish. Do you eat fish?".
 
Unabogie said:
This is what I mean. That's just not as true any more. Here's the Happy Cow listing for Madrid.

http://www.happycow.net/europe/spain/madrid/

Even there, you can find vegan and "vegan friendly" places. Vegan friendly usually means the restaurant is aware of vegan restrictions and can make their dishes vegan upon request without the "vegan interrogation" that you have to do where they go "Vegan? It's fish. Do you eat fish?".
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Well, that's cool. :)
 
Unabogie said:
This is what I mean. That's just not as true any more. Here's the Happy Cow listing for Madrid.

http://www.happycow.net/europe/spain/madrid/

Even there, you can find vegan and "vegan friendly" places. Vegan friendly usually means the restaurant is aware of vegan restrictions and can make their dishes vegan upon request without the "vegan interrogation" that you have to do where they go "Vegan? It's fish. Do you eat fish?".
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Given how cutthroat the restaurant industry is, it's probably owners noticing that they're not just losing the sales to the vegan but the group of friends that came with them as well.
 
Unabogie said:
On a serious note, as a vegan, I do notice that it's certainly gone from "fringe" to "minority". Almost everywhere I go people know what veganism is and you can find vegan food on the menu.

Of course, I do live in Portland. So there's that.
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Looking at America's obesity and heart disease and diabetes epidemic, any advances of vegetarians have been swamped a thousand times over by increased meat consumption.
 
Beerina said:
Looking at America's obesity and heart disease and diabetes epidemic, any advances of vegetarians have been swamped a thousand times over by increased meat consumption.
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Well, Americans just eat crap, that's for sure. Even many vegans eat crap. But when I first went vegan in 2001, many of my friends and family acted like I'd literally joined a cult, instead of learning about what I considered a rational and ethical choice based on good information.

These days, everyone knows someone who's vegetarian or vegan, unless you live under a rock. It's much more mainstream, and that's "winning".
 
Beerina said:
Looking at America's obesity and heart disease and diabetes epidemic, any advances of vegetarians have been swamped a thousand times over by increased meat consumption.
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The increased obesity is probably more attributable to consumption of carbohydrates than meat.

I'm not vegetarian, and probably never will be, but I've definitely scaled back my consumption of meat. I don't feel like every meal, or even every day, has to include animal protein. Most of the meat I do eat is poultry; most of the rest of the meat I eat is fish. Still the occasional bacon and ham, though, and the occasional fast-food burger.
 
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