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John Edward - psychic or what?

Something to do with hidden mics on the tables? If he has the layout of the floor and knows that a guy at table 3 introduced himself as Mike, he could walk right up to it and say Mike and Mike would be all "Woooooow!"

That doesn't explain how he knew the guys first and last name, but still.

Again - he wouldn't have known that the guy was using his middle name as his first from conversation. It has to be conversation + something. And the something will probably be forever unknown, because it was such a randomly fantastic hit.

At any rate, to quell any hidden mic theories - I went to the show twice and felt around under every single table I could get my hands on. I also had an accomplice sit outside with one of those scanner thingies like cops use to determine if info was being sent that way. It was not.
 
I have to say after rereading the OP, that I think John Edward calling out in Liam's general direction, "I am getting the name Joshua" could just be a regular old "stab in the dark" to get the next person to cold read. Joshua is a popular name, according to babycenter.com it's been in the top 20 for more than 20 years. Chances are quite good that asking any table for a Joshua would get a hit. Almost everybody knows one or is related to one. If no one had responded, he quite likely would have kept right on with "It's a J-S name, then. Jason?. Jesse?.. Joseph?.."

BUT, quite possibly, Liam reacted suddenly. His eyes widened, eyebrows raised, and perhaps he even brought his hand to his chest or face in a quick "Oh my gosh! That's me!" kind of gesture that you did not catch, but John Edward, being a skilled mentalist did, and he leaped on it.

The next part, I've been meaning to ask about, but as the topic was old, wasn't sure whether to bring it back up or not. But here it is, so I'll ask it. Why would John Edward say "he had not introduced himself that way to the rest of his table."?? Is this a common thing for everyone to introduce themselves at a JE event? Did you introduce yourself to the rest of your table? Since JE makes a part of his act calling out names, is that not a clue as to where/how he's getting some of them? It seems quite possible to me, after reading all I have the last couple weeks, that JE could have stooges/plants placed all over the theater, grabbing and feeding small bits of info. Or there could be hidden microphones, and someone else is gathering the info, then feeding it to Edward.

So, anyway, JE threw a shot in the dark and got a hit on Joshua, and because of the whole "introduce yourself" thing, he knew that was not the name Liam had used before for himself. So then he did what good mentalists do. Drag out information so it seems like more than it is, and try to get the client to answer affirmatively as many times as possible, because every "yes" answer feels like a "hit" to the audience, and heightens their wonder and astonishment.

"So..this is strange.. Somehow I'm getting that YOUR name is Joshua?"
"Yes"
"But that is not how you introduced yourself tonight, right?"
"Right/Yes"
"Hand the microphone to someone else... How did this man introduce himself to you?"
"Liam!"


And with that, JE knows that he is not using a typical nickname, and therefore the chance is extremely good that this man is using his middle name, so in a stroke of bravado, he asks Liam to take out his wallet and show his drivers license, because by reading it aloud, it now 'feels' to the audience likeJE just scored a double whammy of knowing BOTH names, even though in reality the first was just a random guess, and the second was stated by another person at the table.


This is spot on and clever!!
 
At any rate, to quell any hidden mic theories - I went to the show twice and felt around under every single table I could get my hands on.
They are called hidden mics for a reason... :)
If you could just reach under a table a find them, they would be called easily discovered mics.

I also had an accomplice sit outside with one of those scanner thingies like cops use to determine if info was being sent that way. It was not.
What frequencies was your friend scanning?
Also I don't remember reading when this happened, but digital transmissions can't be detected by radio scanners they only do analogue.
 
They are called hidden mics for a reason... :)
If you could just reach under a table a find them, they would be called easily discovered mics.


What frequencies was your friend scanning?
Also I don't remember reading when this happened, but digital transmissions can't be detected by radio scanners they only do analogue.

The important thing to remember here: He simply isn't good enough to have what he does explained by hidden microphones. He's just a cold reader who stumbled, somehow, across one person's info. If he had mics, he would be a way better medium. That is not the mechanism. ;)
 
I'm not sure now which book I read this in, but in one of them, the author stated that he regularly would just randomly ask a woman at his show if her name was Carol. If she answered no, he had a ready joke about it making it look like all part of the show, so it was no big deal, but the thing is that once in a while (more often than you would imagine) it was a hit, and when it did hit, he just looked freaking amazing.
A poster on this board once admitted that his standard pickup routine when he was at college was to just walk up to a girl in a bar and say "You're a Pisces, aren't you?". Of course 11 times out of 12 the answer would be no, so he would quickly move on and try again until he finally found a girl who was. His success rate at getting the girl into bed after that successful opening gambit was apparently almost 100%.
 
The important thing to remember here: He simply isn't good enough to have what he does explained by hidden microphones. He's just a cold reader who stumbled, somehow, across one person's info. If he had mics, he would be a way better medium. That is not the mechanism. ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he would have been using hidden mics. I was just pointing out that if he was, you wouldn't have found them using the methods you described. :)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he would have been using hidden mics. I was just pointing out that if he was, you wouldn't have found them using the methods you described. :)

What - were they hidden in someone's rectal cavity? :)
 
Again - he wouldn't have known that the guy was using his middle name as his first from conversation. It has to be conversation + something. And the something will probably be forever unknown, because it was such a randomly fantastic hit.

At any rate, to quell any hidden mic theories - I went to the show twice and felt around under every single table I could get my hands on. I also had an accomplice sit outside with one of those scanner thingies like cops use to determine if info was being sent that way. It was not.

I think you are over thinking this, RemieV. John Edward didn't need anything more than what he already had and some quick thinking. The truth is, I think this isn't even that amazing a trick, once I realized just how simple it really was. Which makes it an excellent example of how mentalists work, and how sometimes even not-that-great mentalist tricks can occasionally fool seasoned experts like yourself, as Garette was saying earlier.

Here's the setup. JE, or one of his assistants, heard Liam introduce himself either to you or to his tablemates. I believe you that you don't think there were any mics in the room. Maybe there weren't. The bottom line here though is that the only thing JE had to know to pull off the trick is something that Liam himself said at least twice either in the theater or waiting in line to get into the theater. And actually, JE didn't even need to hear it all that well. Maybe he heard it as "Lee" or "Lynn" or something like that. All he had to know is that it was an "L" sounding name. He stowed that information away, planning to use it at some point in the show.

For whatever random reason, JE comes up with the name Joshua, and aims it toward Liam's table. Maybe he was intending to work one of Liam's tablemates, and then work Liam's "L" name in later on. Who knows. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that he says the name Joshua and Liam reacts. You said Liam stood up. I am sure that Liam probably reacted in such a way as to make it clear that he was the Joshua. Maybe he stood up really fast. Maybe he reacted like I said before, with surprise and a hand gesture that said "Oh wow, that's me!"

So now JE has something. He KNOWS that Liam has called himself another name. So he rolled with it and pretended he was getting something "weird".

"So, this is weird. I am getting that YOU are Joshua" Well, duh. Joshua just stood up and was obvious.
"Yes" HIT says the audience mentally.
"But you introduced yourself by another name.."
"Yes" HIT two! says the audience mentally
"Hand the microphone to someone else.. What name did this man introduce himself as?"
"Liam" HIT three! says the audience mentally, even though we're still really on number two. This is also an excellent distraction for the audience so they don't think too hard about how JE might know how Liam introduced himself.
Then, as I said before, JE, having a good understanding of names and common nicknames, etc, quickly deducts that Liam is going by his middle name, so he pulls a little showman stunt to make this seem more amazing than it really is.
"Please take out your drivers license and show it to the people at your table"
"Joshua Liam Smith" someone reads out. HOLY SMOKES!!! says the audience mentally, and so does RemieV, because it FEELS like John Edward just knew this guys full name.

And I'm willing to bet that if you asked several true believers what they remember about that incident, at least a few of them would say that they distinctly remember John Edward KNEW this guy's full name, AND that the guy went by his middle name. AMAZING! What are the odds of that???!!

The truth is though, obviously, that he didn't know any such thing. John Edward only knew that Liam did not introduce himself as Joshua.
 
See, again, we run into the skeptic thing where a proposed explanation simply would not work and yet it's very insistently presented. No. Simply no. It doesn't mean Edward is a medium. It wasn't a trick. It was knowledge. Period. I've had endless numbers of famous skeptics/mentalist/magicians review the tape.
 
What - were they hidden in someone's rectal cavity? :)
I don't know... the anus... errr.... onus would be on you to discover them. :D
But to have a basic feel around under tables and having someone outside with a scanner isn't going to be very useful against a well concealed hidden mic that is digital.

The only reason I'm mentioning this is so that others don't think that such a search as the one you described would yield any better results than yours and that not finding a hidden mic doesn't mean there isn't one, though I do take on board your opinion is more based around other stuff and not your search. :)
 
RemieV said, "See, again, we run into the skeptic thing where a proposed explanation simply would not work and yet it's very insistently presented. No. Simply no."

Spot on.
 
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RemieV said, "See, again, we run into the skeptic thing where a proposed explanation simply would not work and yet it's very insistently presented. No. Simply no."

Spot on.

And the usual skeptic thing about anecdotes being merely anecdotes.
 
Squeegee - At a guess, I'd say it's the sheer number of things involved.

The conversation had to have happened just that way.
A pizza place that delivered to Jeff had to be out of reach (because a pizza deliveryperson isn't going to stop off and pick up a card).
Someone we both knew had to be coming to visit him.
They had to stop at a place that happened to sell cards (and the card was sold at the pizza place itself, by the by, which I've never heard of before).
The mutual friend had to choose to get a card.
The cards sold had to be relevant in a god way.
The mutual friend had to have written what she wrote.

Only that particular formula works for the amount of 'wow'. Change any one thing, and it's a lot less interesting.

I'm not sure that changing any one thing makes it less interesting. There are other ways you could have achieved the same effect. Say there was a pizza place nearby and you ordered a pizza from there for him. That pizza place also sells cards and, as part of a pre-prepared sales pitch offers them over the phone to you. You say no, and he says something like "are you sure? They're very cute. We've got one where the pizza looks like Pac-Man and another where it's a recreation of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel only God's handing Adam a pizza...", learning which you'd conceivably have changed your mind and included the card in your order.

Or, had you ordered a pizza from a place near him you could have achieved almost exactly the same effect by having the name the pizza be delivered to as Jesus Y'ar-Way, or similar. Or, had you not known a mutual friend who was travelling to visit him, you could have known someone who lived near him who'd be prepared to take him round a pizza for a lark. Or there could have been a card shop next to the pizza place with a similar card on display in the window that your mutual friend would have seen.

And so on and so forth. There are plenty of variations which would seem equally incredible. It only seems like this is the only way it could have happened because the significance is being attached to the events after they've happened.

Which is not to say that it's not a good story of coincidence, because it is. But the idea that it must be significant because it happened in exactly the way it did is nonsense. It would be more significant if there was a pizza place local to your friend and you phoned them up to give them an order for him and they told you that there already was an order going out to his address, and it turned out that that was the case because someone called Jesus Nas-Areth had ordered a pizza but miscommunicated their address. Or something like that.
 
The part that makes it "wow" is that no one knew the reasons. It all fell together without anyone being told anything beyond "Hey - can you pick up pizza for Jeff?"

Which makes the card thing impressive, but still not the rest of it.
 
A poster on this board once admitted that his standard pickup routine when he was at college was to just walk up to a girl in a bar and say "You're a Pisces, aren't you?". Of course 11 times out of 12 the answer would be no, so he would quickly move on and try again until he finally found a girl who was. His success rate at getting the girl into bed after that successful opening gambit was apparently almost 100%.

That would work for me for identifying the type of woman I'd like to avoid...
 

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