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"Women bring violence on themselves"priest

It doesn't surprise me there are creepy Christian/Catholic (and other sects and religions) men with this attitude. What's surprising is that there are women who buy into it also.
 
As much as I think what this priest said is disgusting, I admit to not being terribly comfortable with some of the rhetoric put forth here as a solution, either. :(
 
A quote from the OP link:

"Children are abandoned to their own devices, homes are dirty, meals are cold or fast food, clothes are filthy," he added.
I think this is just as bad. God forbid that a man cook, clean the dishes, vacuum or even change a diaper. The laundry? Never! Ah, the privileged life.
 
My father told me what they tried to teach him in seminary (in the 1940's): All women are whores, except for the virgin Mary and your mother.
The fact I'm here tells you that his career there didn't last'

We learned (seminary 60's) that women were the "occasion of sin" and had best be avoided.

(knowingly being at an occasion of sin was a sin in and of itself).
 
Usually, when I see a thread on JREF that starts with a bizarre quote from a religious person, I assume I will see an out of context quote, that doesn't really mean what it says.

This time, though, it seems to mean exactly what it says.

I still have to feel sympathy for him. He's almost right about something. He talks about women as irresistible, and he's right. No sane man would ever resist a woman*, but the Catholic Church has declared lust to be a sin. It's just crazy.

As I get farther removed from the Catholic Church, I see it as more and more messed up. For my first few years as an atheist, I thought of it as a pretty good institution, but one which I could no longer accept. Then I started thinking of it as a bit weird, but mostly harmless. Now, I'm willing to see that there is some good in it, surrounded by a whole lot of just plain messed up.

And how can they create myths whose central element is the birth of a child, but without that horrible sex part? That's........weird. It's downright inhuman.

*Pardon my heterosexual biax there. Substitute the object of lust of your choice, and of course assume mutual consent.
 
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I still have to feel sympathy for him. He's almost right about something. He talks about women as irresistible, and he's right. No sane man would ever resist a woman*

Err, sorry, while having urges is normal, men or women are both perfectly capable of controlling themselves. While that may not be what YOU are trying to say, the myth that the poor men just can't control themselves when those temptresses are around is the foundation of much misogyny and a common way to exculpate rapists and other abusers. It becomes just some poor guys who couldn't resist. And it certainly is what that priest is trying to say.

Even seeing a woman naked, as in his question to the reporter, does not in fact override someone's brains. If I put you in a room with a naked woman and told you she has AIDS, I dare say you'd be perfectly able to resist her. There wouldn't be some kind of mental blackout where you plough ahead on instinct no matter what.

Again, it may not be what YOU were trying to say, but it certainly is what HE is trying to excuse. People using 'irresistible' in its metaphoric and very non-literal meaning, end up providing cover for those who literally mean that seeing a woman in a provocative skirt makes one unable to resist acting upon their impulses. Like that priest does.

And in fact he is talking bollocks anyway, because we can compare our data to similar times when women were a lot more exposed. Between 1961 and 1966, the hem of skirts went from just above the knee in 1961 to all the way up to the upper thigh in 1966. By the end of the 1960's, microskirts appeared, which didn't even completely cover the buttocks. At one point there literally was no more room to go up without transforming into a belt instead of a skirt. Then suddenly there's an abrupt inflexion, as the styles go maxi again in the 1970's, and women show a lot less legs. You'd expect that if there's a proportionality between how much leg you show and how likely someone is to be to literally be unable to resist their impulses, that you'd see rape incidence drop like an anvil in the 1970's, but that inflexion just isn't there.

but the Catholic Church has declared lust to be a sin. It's just crazy.

Eh, they declared any kind of brain activity other than thinking about how great Jesus is to be a crime.

In lust's case, though, I wouldn't say the RCC invented it, though. At the time the gospels were written, there just wasn't an RCC yet. And it is straight from the gospel. Matthew 5:28 says quite plainly that it's a sin, in fact even which sin, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
 
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The Catholic view of sex is perhaps the most strict in the world. Religions who forbid sex before marriage usually give thumps up to happy martial sex. Not so with Catholics, who forbid sexual contact even between married couples unless there is the possibility of pregnancy each and every time a couple has sex. In the early 80s pope JPII gave dozens of lectures about sex which came known as The Theology of the Body, this "new way of thinking" claimed to say the Catholics love sex and have been misunderstood, sex in marriage is great! So great though you need a degrees in catholic theology and philosophy to understand the correct way to have sex.

A few brave souls have tried to explain this new understanding of sex Greg West for one. A man named Gregory K. Popcak has been promoting a book called Holy Sex which makes a failed attempt to explain this "new" Theology of the Body, and how Catholics can have hot sex after all. However if you read the fine print of pope JPII words you really can't have hot sex as normal people understand it.

Check out what Catholic theologians think about even a lame attempt at giving Catholics permission to have passionate sex in marriage.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...tremendous_dangers_alice_von_hildebrand_says/
 
Funny how in the greater majority of rapes the victims are not dressed provocatively.
 
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what about all those children molested by priests? Was the organ music, candles, incest and flowing robes just created a mood that the priest could not resist.

What about schoolgirls, wouldn't those plaid skirts and leather shoes just turn priests into raging rape machines?

Religion is BULLS**T!
 
what about all those children molested by priests? Was the organ music, candles, incest and flowing robes just created a mood that the priest could not resist.

What about schoolgirls, wouldn't those plaid skirts and leather shoes just turn priests into raging rape machines?

Religion is BULLS**T!
Women dressing provocatively apparently forces people to go out and rape others no matter what they look like I guess.
 
What about schoolgirls, wouldn't those plaid skirts and leather shoes just turn priests into raging rape machines?

I don't know about priests, but from the total rape victims about 15% are under 12 years old, and about 29% are between 12 and 17 years old. And among the stranger rape victims, IIRC the group most targeted is under 14 years old.

So, uh, yeah, in that priest's world view, where provocative dressing and acting is what does it, I guess there must be something awfully provocative about a school uniform :/
 
Again, it may not be what YOU were trying to say, but it certainly is what HE is trying to excuse.

You are correct, of course.

In reading his remarks, it just seemed so obvious that the source of all of his grief is that he looked at sexuality as something awful, and was fighting it. He sees a picture of a naked woman, hates his own natural reaction to it, and blames her for it.

There's no need to "blame" anyone. It's a good thing.

There was something about his remarks that, more than usual for me, really emphasized the inhumanity of the Catholic Church's teachings on sex. I use the word "inhuman" not to say that they are evil, brutish, monsters, but just to emphasize that their theology related to sex really does deny basic humanity.
 
If he were just saying that women cause an erection or lust, I'd have less of a problem with that. (Incidentally, it has been a late medieval and renaissance attitude that women deliberately try to make guys sin that way. The sin being of course the thought crime of Lust.)

He's trying to justify violence, though. That's something different than just eyeballing her, or getting lust or even an erection.

I'm pretty sure it's not a hard-wired reaction to want to get sex by violence. It's also not a hard-wired reaction to want to hit a woman for the other reasons the good priest mentioned, such as not being in the kitchen making you food or operating the vacuum cleaner.

In fact the very notion that not only it's the woman's job to cook and clean, but that it's an invitation to violence against her if she doesn't... is... something so medieval it's not even funny. If his struggle is to not hit a woman for not being barefoot in the kitchen, that's way beyond what can be justified by natural urges. That's not a natural urge he's fighting, but being a bigoted idiot of the worst kind. In fact the kind that even other bigoted idiots usually try to distance themselves from, or even claim that it doesn't exist any more.

And that's why I have a problem when you overlay your "irresistible" to what he's saying. You're saying, "He's almost right about something. He talks about women as irresistible, and he's right." His is obviously a much more literal version of irresistible, and about a different action, than what you seem to have in mind. I don't think he's right, I think you're not talking about the same thing. There's a difference between finding a woman irresistible as in, 'mmm, I'd totally bang her', and as in literally being unable to resist hitting her for not being at home cooking and cleaning. And I'm not sure what the point is to do said equivocation to say a bigoted dick is right where he obviously isn't.
 
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There was something about his remarks that, more than usual for me, really emphasized the inhumanity of the Catholic Church's teachings on sex. I use the word "inhuman" not to say that they are evil, brutish, monsters, but just to emphasize that their theology related to sex really does deny basic humanity.

I think extending this one priest's comments to his entire organization is a harder connection to make. Especially since in the same article it says:

The region's bishop, Luigi Ernesto Palletti, stepped in as the story went viral and said Corsi's words were "unacceptable and go against the church's common feeling on the matter".

Of course the same argument can be made for the comments of one bishop. But, at least in the context of just the article, I see an "employee" speaking for an organization, and getting snapped back by his boss.
 
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