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A hypothetical gun control proposal

shawmutt said:
Source? My source, the USDOJ, states the vast majority of criminals use small caliber, small capacity handguns. These are the same handguns, when carried legally, that are normally carried by women. The most traced guns to crime are:

1 Lorcin P25 .25 Pistol
2 Davis Industries P380 .38 Pistol
3 Raven Arms MP25 .25 Pistol
4 Lorcin L25 .25 Pistol
5 Mossburg 500 12G Shotgun
6 Phoenix Arms Raven .25 Pistol
7 Jennings J22 .22 Pistol
8 Ruger P89 9 mm Pistol
9 Glock 17 9 mm Pistol
10 Bryco 38 .38

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=947

Hmm, other than the Glock 17 and Ruger P (basically any 9mm), this manly man (with a small penis) might, and I mean might, give one of the pistols to my wife.

Are you too inventing more premises?
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Why not the 17? That's my fave; and I am a small female.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Criminals don't like wimpy looking weapons and prefer the "manly" ones.
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RemieV said:
Why not the 17? That's my fave; and I am a small female.
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I wouldn't recommend anything less than a 9mm for anyone, male or female. I'm just addressing Ken's assertion that criminals want scary looking guns, when the reality is most use tiny concealable guns.
 
RemieV said:
Why not the 17? That's my fave; and I am a small female.
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The .17 is strictly a target and varmint round. Not very effective on anything much larger than a ground squirrel.

The .25 ACP is kind of a wimp round, only likely to inflict a lethal wound unless you put it through a vital organ without passing through any heavy bones. I had a friend who took three .25 rounds to the chest and still managed to beat his assailant to death.
 
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leftysergeant said:
The .17 is strictly a target and varmint round. Not very effective on anything much larger than a ground squirrel.

The .25 ACP is kind of a wimp round, only likely to inflict a lethal wound unless you put it through a vital organ without passing through any heavy bones. I had a friend who took three .25 rounds to the chest and still managed to beat his assailant to death.
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I was referring to the Glock 17 9mm, which was on the list he posted, and he said he wouldn't give his wife. I was wondering why, as it's my fave.
 
RemieV said:
I was referring to the Glock 17 9mm, which was on the list he posted, and he said he wouldn't give his wife. I was wondering why, as it's my fave.
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The list is nearly 20 years old, and several of the weapons listed are basically the same gun, I think. You'd be hard pressed to find a working version of several of those pistols today, I think.
 
LTC8K6 said:
That list is from 1994...go ahead and ban most of those. Most are considered garbage by anyone with a lick of sense.

And it's O.F. Mossberg and Sons who make that "Mossburg" 500...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.F._Mossberg_&_Sons
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I believe I read somewhere that the Mossberg 500 finds it's way to that list because they're cheap and the barrels are relatively easy to saw-off (which is illegal).
 
LTC8K6 said:
The list is nearly 20 years old, and several of the weapons listed are basically the same gun, I think. You'd be hard pressed to find a working version of several of those pistols today, I think.
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What? Glock 17 is an extremely popular gun, and widely available. I feel confused by what's happening right now. Am I drunk (haven't even had a drink) or having a stroke or something?

http://www.glock.com/english/glock17.htm

Glock 17 and Sig Sauer p232 are the ones I trained on when I got my armed security license.
 
They're cheap. Widely issued to police departments, then sold (after being beat to heck and reconditioned) for bottom dollar. Purchased by people who don't actually intend to use them, just want something "in case" without thinking it through, and their only critierion is price. These get stolen in higher numbers, both due to availability and due to poor usage / storage habits on the part of their owners. Wind up being used in crimes (if the theft itself isn't what puts it on the list).

Simple.
 
R.Mackey said:
They're cheap. Widely issued to police departments, then sold (after being beat to heck and reconditioned) for bottom dollar. Purchased by people who don't actually intend to use them, just want something "in case" without thinking it through, and their only critierion is price. These get stolen in higher numbers, both due to availability and due to poor usage / storage habits on the part of their owners. Wind up being used in crimes (if the theft itself isn't what puts it on the list).

Simple.
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I own a Mossberg 500AVR I bought in 1972 and used for ducks quail, pheasants,and doves for many happy years. Very nice. My son owns one in 20ga,and he's is fond of it, also.
 
RemieV said:
What? Glock 17 is an extremely popular gun, and widely available. I feel confused by what's happening right now. Am I drunk (haven't even had a drink) or having a stroke or something?

http://www.glock.com/english/glock17.htm

Glock 17 and Sig Sauer p232 are the ones I trained on when I got my armed security license.
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Glock 17 goes back to 1983... :)

You may remember the "plastic gun" scare and media idiocy...over the polymer frame Glocks.

This, despite the fact that H&K had a "plastic gun" with a polymer frame a decade earlier, and the Remington Nylon66 rifle had a polymer frame in 1959...

All of those .25's are basically the same gun, I think. If they are still made, they are under different names and have been redesigned.

Lorcin/Bryco/Raven/Jennings/Phoenix, etc. all known as junk guns. Davis too. Those are the ones that you'd be hard pressed to find still working today.
 
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rwguinn said:
I own a Mossberg 500AVR I bought in 1972 and used for ducks quail, pheasants,and doves for many happy years. Very nice. My son owns one in 20ga,and he's is fond of it, also.
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Mine's a Winchester, but my pop has an old Mossberg. They do the job. :)
 
LTC8K6 said:
Glock 17 goes back to 1983... :)

You may remember the "plastic gun" scare and media idiocy...over the polymer frame Glocks.

This, despite the fact that H&K had a "plastic gun" with a polymer frame a decade earlier, and the Remington Nylon66 rifle had a polymer frame in 1959...

All of those .25's are basically the same gun, I think. If they are still made, they are under different names and have been redesigned.

Lorcin/Bryco/Raven/Jennings/Phoenix, etc. all known as junk guns. Davis too. Those are the ones that you'd be hard pressed to find still working today.
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The black polymer scare never quite went away, as evidenced by the old and proposed assault weapon ban.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The list is nearly 20 years old, and several of the weapons listed are basically the same gun, I think. You'd be hard pressed to find a working version of several of those pistols today, I think.
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I would posit that criminals are still using similar cheap small concealable handguns, such as Hi Point. 9mm pistols probably eclipsed the revolvers by this point.

The point remains the same, Ken's premise is wrong.
 
Sabretooth said:
I believe I read somewhere that the Mossberg 500 finds it's way to that list because they're cheap and the barrels are relatively easy to saw-off (which is illegal).
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Actually it is legal in most states but requires a stamp and $200 tax.

Ranb
 
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