Since you decided to call me "dishonest" through shoddy reasoning, and thought it was actually a good idea to make me an example, let's discuss this fully.
The first piece of evidence that Martin was walking home from the store, is the word of his family. According to them, he received permission from his father to walk to a local 7-1 to buy snacks. And we do have footage from the local 7-11, showing Martin buying snacks from the store. Most likely, these snacks were the same Arizona drink and Skittles that were found on his body. So, this is verified.
I agree, he went to 7-11. To buy snacks and something the clerk wouldn't sell him without ID , right ?
Why did you leave that part out ?
That is not evidence he wasn't acting suspiciously as he walked home.
And of course, it takes him almost three quarters of an hour to walk the half mile from 7-eleven.
The second, of course, is Zimmerman's police recording. As you noted, Zimmerman noted that Martin was "walking around, looking about" and "looking at houses". This is perfectly in line with a guy walking down the street. Despite your assertion, this is not a sign that he was "loitering", or "looking into cars or windows". As Karate noted, your assertion that this is, in and of itself suspicious, is nonsense.
GZ police recording clearly contains the statements about why GZ found him acting suspiciously. I have quoted those words numerous times. GZ elaborated on the statements in his police interview.
The third piece of evidence, is Zimmerman's own re-enactment,
which you kindly linked to. Note that, beginning at roughly 1:45 in the video you linked to, Zimmerman notes that Martin was standing near a common entrance point to the neighborhood. He then states, again, that Martin was walking down the street, and looking around. He eventually notes that Martin began looking at his car, in addition to looking at the houses, and that Martin briefly stopped walking. He then states (before his absurd "circled my car" thing") that Martin walked down Retreat View Circle, and down Twin Trees Lane - which is in the direction of Martin's residence. Again, this verifies the statements of Martin's family.
The fact that he walked in the general direction of his fathers girlfriends home is evidence he wasn't acting suspiciously ?
There's another interesting thing in this third piece of evidence. Zimmerman claims that he cannot recognize Martin, and yet, in his own police recording, he is initially unsure of Martin's skin color. If he doesn't even know what Martin's skin color is, how could he possibly attempt to recognize him? And for that matter, since most of the local witnesses had no idea who Zimmerman was, why should we assume that Zimmerman is familiar with all of the local residents?
In any case, the fourth piece of evidence is DeeDee's statement. In this, she claims that Martin was walking home from the store, and briefly took cover from the rain. He then tells her that he is walking home, that he sees a strage, creepy man (Zimmerman) staring at him, that he briefly ran, and that he was surprised to see this same strange man "right by [his] ass."
Which DeeDee ? The 16 year old one or the 18 year old one ? How is that GZ statements are all dismissed as self-serving, but we are to take the word of this nebulous DeeDee ? The DeeDee who tells us TM was right by his Daddy house ?
I doubt that you'll give a useful answer, but do you have any evidence to show that Martin was doing anything other than walking home from the local 7-11 when Zimmerman decided that he was "suspicious"?
Do you have any reason for us to think that there's some "full toxicology report" that has been hidden, or that it would contain...well, anything of interest?
Sure, the partial piece we have seen already contains evidence of marijuana use. It hasn't been hidden, it simply hasn't been released to the public.
Again, what I find interesting is the incoherent view of what makes a person "suspicious". Looking around while walking down the street is suspicious, but staring at a particular person is not, following someone in a car is not, and getting out of a car to run after a person is also not. Where I grew up, pa teen male walking down the street was to be treated as a possible threat - but a person who got out of a car to chase you was a definite threat. I find the idea that looking around is suspicious, but abandoning safety to run after someone isn't, to be bizarre. In fact, I'd like to see some justification for it.
So, what you are saying is TM should have found GZ suspicious and called the police ? You are probably right. Why do you think he didn't do that ? Or simply go the last 70 yards to safety instead of hiding in the bushes ? I would like to see some justification for
that.
I won't speak for Johnny Karate, but my personal view is that George Zimmerman is an idiot. He may well have found Martin to be suspicious, based on whatever goofball biases he had (and racial bias is a clear possibility), but in any event, his actions in his own police recording were clearly stupid.
Again, I will reiterate - suspicious activity is subjective. All the neighborhood watch manuals say to call if you see or feel something is odd , or out of place. There is no completely objective definition of suspicious behavior. The fact that TM was on a bluetooth headset, and talking on the phone ... and taking his sweet time walking ... looking around .. well that may certainly look suspicious to someone who doesn't recognize TM, who doesn't realize he is on the phone. You are right that it's possible TM wasn't doing anything you would consider suspicious. And it's also possible that I or someone else could reasonably consider those same activities suspicious.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Johnny Karate - If TM was doing nothing suspicions, why did GZ call the NEN?
So, let's discuss this as well.
Zimmerman's quote, both in his police call, and in his walkthrough, make no mention of Martin actually putting his hand into his waistband as some sort of intimidating action. Instead, Zimmerman notes that Martin "has his hand in his waistband", so as far as we know, he had it there all along. And in any event, if Martin did decide to pretend to have a weapon, why would Zimmerman then jump out of his car and run after him? "Hey, that guy may have a gun, I should chase him!"
And again, I must note the incoherent view of suspicion. Martin putting his hand in his waistband from a distance (even if we assume this is the case) is suspicious, but Zimmerman digging in his pockets after coming within swinging distance of the guy he decided to run after is perfectly innocent, and certainly merited no action on Martin's part, according to Zimmerman's defenders. And again, this makes no sense.
No, I think you are confused. People have said that putting your hand near your pocket is not justification for someone to sucker punch you.
