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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Judy Byington was hosting a pay-to-attend webinar on November 17. Not sure if the DOPL knew about this one.

http://childabusedata.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/survivorship-webinar-trauma-treatment.html

Anyone with any news on the DOPL complaint?

One thing that is encouraging is she has taken her calendar down: no Costco, no library, no bookstores, no Dr. Phil date. Think maybe word has gotten out? Her Amazon page ought to do wonders for he next foray into Pulitzerville. I personally thanked all of her followers for their contributions to that mosaic of absurdity.
 
It is refreshing to check back in on Amazon and see that at least Judy's crowd doesn't seem to be trying to put up this facade of reasonable adherence to evidence and science anymore. I love this recent remark from Felicity just today where she manages to accuse us being part of the Satanic conspiracy, while also accusing us of not being competent or intelligent enough to be part of the Satanic conspiracy:

"Doug's affiliations and their points and topics tend more toward the other end - so this does make them a different sort - to say that they know about satanic ritual abuse, when and how it happens, etc. is an understatement. It is more that they are trying to 'silence' this book - to create this illusion that the whole idea is ridiculous - in order to protect their own interests in satanic activities. JMHO But, then - I feel intuitively that is giving them too much credit. That would take planning and intelligence, which I just don't see coming from them - again jmo."

Hmm. How do you argue people who refute themselves in their own statements?
 
It is more that they are trying to 'silence' this book - to create this illusion that the whole idea is ridiculous - in order to protect their own interests in satanic activities. JMHO But, then - I feel intuitively that is giving them too much credit. That would take planning and intelligence, which I just don't see coming from them - again jmo."

Hmm. How do you argue people who refute themselves in their own statements?

Oh, darn, Doug, I missed that one. I was too busy laughing at the accusation that I was a "ghost writer".
 
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I also want to say that I am still following this discussion eagerly and am vicariously proud of you guys' accomplishments on this matter. For all its simplicity, directly contacting the Utah AG's office was a gutsy and wonderfully constructive move. I am similarly glad that you all are continuing to actively engage these individuals and not merely let the issue fade away - which would only work to their advantage. I truly hope the onlookers at these sites are noticing whose comments are constantly being erased, altered, or withdrawn and whose aren't.

Aside from my own perspective regarding the thought processes inside abuse survivor groups which lead to views like Byington's gaining traction and status (which I gave earlier in this thread) I don't really have anything additional to offer except for moral support. Keep fighting the good fight.

Thanks very much, Checkmite. :) That was nice to hear.

One thing that is encouraging is she has taken her calendar down: no Costco, no library, no bookstores, no Dr. Phil date. Think maybe word has gotten out? Her Amazon page ought to do wonders for he next foray into Pulitzerville. I personally thanked all of her followers for their contributions to that mosaic of absurdity.

You're right! No Calendar page at all anymore! :thumbsup:

http://22faces.com/
 
Oh, darn, Doug, I missed that one. I was too busy laughing at the accusation that I was a "Ghost Writer".

I missed that one too. All the reviews I'm subscribed to have been quiet of late. Could you post a link, Doug.

Me, I was laughing hard at the results of CritThink's masonic handshake. ;) :D
 
Oh, darn, Doug, I missed that one. I was too busy laughing at the accusation that I was a "Ghost Writer".

Well, she's clearly quite taken with the fact that we set up a Facebook page. I'm still not sure what exactly she feels that is supposed to mean, but she has been harping on it for many a comment now.

I'm not sure where some of these inferences come from though. Felicity says:

"Once reason that I believe she is a Doug-sockpuppet is because - notice the comments after mine - CT is bragging about their fb page and how fast they got it up - and, Doug seems embarrassed to even be there - but, I actually heard about it the night that Doug was putting the group together from someone who knows him."

So wait... you and me are the same person, but you're bragging about the Facebook page while I seem "embarrassed to even be there"? And this is presented not in spite of the argument that we're one and the same, but as EVIDENCE of it?? And where in the world do I give any bit of the impression that I am embarrassed of the Facebook page or my participation in it? It really makes you wonder what she actually interprets when she reads any of our writings or comments.

And I find this ponderous as well. She states: " I came under another profile name - which is, of course, my choice - then, changed it quick so everyone would know who I was - they have nitpicked this small bit of what they call 'evidence' to discredit me for months."

She ignores, of course, the complaint that she didn't simply come to Amazon by the name of Christopher Allen and then change it to Felicity, but she changed her name to Felicity and retroactively accused us of being confused in referring to her as Christopher, pretending she had no idea who this Christopher fellow might be. Then, when confronted with screen shots of this odd little maneuver, she claimed Christopher Allen to be the name of her son who was senselessly using her account under his name. Here, however, the name change is simply her choice.

Then, ONLY ONE COMMENT LATER, she tries to establish Christopher as her son again: "Have a great holiday - I am off to vacation with my son Christopher - "!

Amazing! I hope she's not leaving her daughter, Yogurt Lover, out of the holiday festivities.

But, you take a remark like this and try to dissect it:
""Once reason that I believe she is a Doug-sockpuppet is because - notice the comments after mine - CT is bragging about their fb page and how fast they got it up - and, Doug seems embarrassed to even be there - but, I actually heard about it the night that Doug was putting the group together from someone who knows him."

Nothing here follows any course of logic whatsoever. How does one point to evidence of another? What does the "when" of Felicity hearing about the Facebook page have to do with anything? Is it possible that she just holds deeply rooted and deeply flawed intuitions and imagines that everything she observes simply validates it all? This really probably is a deeply diseased mind we are witnessing in action here.
 
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BTW, I'm dying to know who Karmakaze is, so I can give them lots of "Kudos!"s for their posts. :thumbsup:

Me too, Karmakaze's posts are great.

I'm thinking we could do with a You Tube account too. Gather together any You Tubes on the subject and any of you who can do these things, make some of our own.

Anyone on twitter, we now have a twitter account under the name falsememorysynd.
 
Originally Posted by douglas mesner
So wait... you and me are the same person

Perhaps we are alters, Doug. This one has potential.

I say we gotta get an official diagnosis. Forget Byington, she’s an amateur.

Let’s hop over the pond and visit with “Our Lady of all Bogus Satanic Ritual Abuse Narratives” Miss BS-RAN herself, Valerie Sinason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...lieve-that-Satanists-might-eat-your-baby.html

Once we get the official diagnosis, we can co-author a book with her on how the whole thing went down. We’ve got to pick some news items out that we witnessed and retroactively work this into our narrative. Maybe we can say that we were there when Jimmy Hoffa was shot and buried. (Exact same time frame as the Sybil meme!) It was a big Illuminati infighting deal. We have to figure out which alter will hold this information. Let’s invent another one and call it, “Sylvia Browne”.

The lure of the Hoffa narrative and Sinason milking her contacts should also get us on the talk show circuit. Sinason just had a recent client in "The Atlantic". http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/i-share-my-body-with-20-personalities/263471/ She was also on Oprah. We’ll have to shoot for Phil as Oprah is history. He’ll eat it up. No AG worries this time.

Post-Phil, we can go big-time after Colin’s Ross’s MK-ultra fan base. I say we come up with our own tin-foil baseball/golf logoed hats. Merchandise this meme! http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2005/11/69640

We’ll rob Ross here of his audience of the bat$hit crazies. Whatever’s he’s paying Edwina McMahon for her 201,585,720 hits-on-tit$, we pay her double:eye-poppiand cut him out of the deal. We'll get all his lecture tour business and we'll have a more compelling narrative to boot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNCxsw7qWlg

Greenbaum/Masons, pfft, child’s play. Our narrative will be the metanarrative of all conspiracies! MAWAHAHAHA!!The CIA MK-ultra folks are actually our inventions. We trained them and we operate them via implanted microchips from an underground bunker in Roswell--we’ve branched to the FBI...did ya’ll catch our agent Anne Droid, aka Paula Broadwell, at work a few weeks back? We call ourselves “Bad Wolf”. We are the Illuminati!!!!!!

IluminatiЯUs!

(The Amazon comments from the lurkers should be hilarious after this one ;))
 
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Me too, Karmakaze's posts are great.

I'm thinking we could do with a You Tube account too. Gather together any You Tubes on the subject and any of you who can do these things, make some of our own.

Anyone on twitter, we now have a twitter account under the name falsememorysynd.

Yes! I've got a lot of great video that isn't available to the general public yet -- including some interviews I've conducted myself. One of my favorite clips that I would like to upload is from a lecture given by this delusive little moron, Randy Noblitt, who teaches courses on Ritual Abuse. In the video clip he's talking about subtle little subliminal messages in music. He puts on some pop song as an example in which he has inserted recordings of very ostentatious, overbearing, extremely obvious horrific screams. If you didn't know who he was, you'd think he was somebody parodying the whole idea.
 
You ever get a reply from the AG yourself, Dismember?

No, I didn't get a reply yet, but it hasn't been that long yet - I sent the email on Dec. 12th. I quoted Judy Byington's Twenty-Two Faces media page, and I also sent this Amazon quote:

Judy Byington said:
" ... on November 30 2012 I talked with him about Orphia Nay's claims that I had never consulted with the Utah AG office about satanic crime. Mr. Barlow admitted he knew nothing about my years of consultation with Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Chief Captain Charles Haussler (now retired). This should not be news to anyone. Captain Haussler's name as well as others at the Utah AG office with whom I have consulted on satanic crime, are on page 421 of "Twenty-Two Faces."

Mr. Barlow also admitted he did not know who Haussler's contacts were, nor did he have knowledge about some of the crimes Haussler investigated. Neither did he know about my recorded conversations (by both myself and by the criminal investigators) with the Utah Attorney General Satanic Ritual Abuse Investigators, nor did he have any insight into my four-hour discussion with Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards about their ongoing investigations of Utah's eight major satanic covens. "

It's not entirely clear but in the first paragraph she appears to be critical of Division Chief Craig Barlow.

If anyone else decides to email the UAG with an inquiry, please consider sending this quote from Dec. 18th:

Judy Byington says said:
..... Barlow's so-called statement does not disprove the fact that I have worked with Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards, Satanic Ritual Abuse investigators Christine Godnick and Matt Jacobsen and Utah Special Investigations Chief Captain Charles Haussler and others. All of which are on page 421 of 22 Faces. Shame on you for not reading the book. It was there all the time. .......

Again, she appears to be criticizing Division Chief Barlow. She probably isn't endearing herself to the UAG with these statements.

xterra, thank you for sharing that information about internet citations. I didn't use formal citations in my email to the UAG, but I did provide archived pages so they could refer to the original quotes if the current pages are edited or removed.
 
Judy Byington was hosting a pay-to-attend webinar on November 17. Not sure if the DOPL knew about this one.

http://childabusedata.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/survivorship-webinar-trauma-treatment.html

Anyone with any news on the DOPL complaint?

Yes, I received this reply:

DOPL said:
The Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing (DOPL) recently completed an investigation into the practices of Judy Byington. After a thorough review of the websites and interviews it was ascertained that Ms. Byington is not violating any of the provisions of Utah Code Title 58. Therefore unless more detailed and complete information that is patient/client specific that Ms. Byingotn is engaged in the practice of mental health therapy is provided, this case will remain closed.

We do appreciate you notifying us of your concerns and although the case is closed, your information was forwarded to the investigator and we will continue to monitor the situation.

I had already contacted them prior to receiving the information about Judy's $25 Skype sessions, but I did provide the link to the Nov. 17th webinar, and the link to the interview from August where Judy says she had a "session" with Jenny this summer.
 
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Thank you, Dismember. I had forgotten that she herself stated that Haussler is retired. With that in mind check out our latest exchange on Amazon where she tries to support her claim that she has consulted with the Utah AG since 2006 by invoking his name:

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 7:34:01 AM PST
Judy Byington says:
Page 421 of "Twenty-Two Faces" points to my recorded interviews/relationship with Utah AG office Satanic Ritual Abuse investigators Matt Jacobsen, Christine Godnick and Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards that began around 1992 after the 1990 LDS report found "45 members witnessed human sacrifice." President Gordon B Hinckley granted me an exclusive interview with Elder Glenn Pace on his commmittee's report. In 2006 and at the request of Utah Chief of Special Investigations Captain Charles Haussler I was was called into his office where he asked me to continue to consult with him on the 8 satanic covens in Utah. Over the years I have turned over mounds of information gained from ritual abuse survivors. Such consultation continues today. Read all about it in my next book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan."

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 11:31:45 AM PST
Doug Mesner says:
I'm really curious about this alleged consultation with the Attorney General's office in Utah, Judy. You still persist in stating this, even though the Utah AG's office themselves say you are lying when you make this claim. When we first brought these responses from the Utah AG's office to light, you claimed that the office was only saying that you weren't a consultant for them because the nature of your work was so very confidential that they would deny any bit of it, and that we could read all about it in your next book. When it was pointed out that it made no sense at all that your work would be super-confidential but that you'd be writing a book about it, you changed your claim to having been interviewed some time back in the 90s. When it was pointed out that this, by no stretch of the imagination, made you a consultant, nor did it relate at all to your claim to have been a consultant since 2006, you've now changed your story to the above, where you claim to be working with the Charles Haussler. Somewhere along the line, you decided that I was warned by the Utah AG's office regarding publicly posting confidential emails. This is untrue and I have no idea where you got this information from. Did you simply make it up? Who said I had ever received any warnings from the Utah AG's office? I haven't. I really wonder how you measure which information is credible or not. This seems to be a chronic problem with you, and might help explain some of the ridiculous and improbable "facts" presented in 22 Faces. In your latest statement you say:

"Page 421 of "Twenty-Two Faces" points to my recorded interviews/relationship with Utah AG office Satanic Ritual Abuse investigators Matt Jacobsen, Christine Godnick and Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards that began around 1992 after the 1990 LDS report found "45 members witnessed human sacrifice.""

For one thing, this is well before 2006, so it doesn't relate to your claim to have been a consultant for the Utah Attorney General's office since 2006. Further, being questioned by the Ritual Abuse Task Force doesn't make you a consultant for the office, even at that point. And, finally, the results of the investigation found the notions of a conspiracy of Satanic Ritual Abuse to be bunk, though you never talk about the actual results of these investigations.

You go on:
"President Gordon B Hinckley granted me an exclusive interview with Elder Glenn Pace on his commmittee's report."

What does this mean? In what capacity were you granted an interview? As a journalist? You were interviewing him, or you requested that he interview you? What does this have to do with the question of your being a consultant for the Utah Attorney General's Office?

But then you say:
"In 2006 and at the request of Utah Chief of Special Investigations Captain Charles Haussler I was was called into his office where he asked me to continue to consult with him on the 8 satanic covens in Utah. Over the years I have turned over mounds of information gained from ritual abuse survivors. Such consultation continues today. Read all about it in my next book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan.""

What agency does Charles Haussler's office reside in? I find him online only as a firearms instructor. You have turned over "mounds of information gained from ritual abuse survivors"? Has Haussler followed-up on these claims by looking for real-world corroboration? Has Haussler worked on the Jenny Hill case? Has Haussler coordinated with officials in PA regarding the alleged ritual sacrifice of Shea that you write about in 22 Faces? If not, why not? Has any of the other information led to any prosecutions? Is this even official investigative work?​

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1VJ6J...HHCDPZDKQGG&store=digital-text#wasThisHelpful

She's really painting herself into a corner even further if Haussler is retired.
 
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Thank you, Dismember. I had forgotten that she herself stated that Haussler is retired.

Doug, thank you for posting her latest barrage of nonsense -- she certainly HAS painted herself into a corner! Of the other two names she dropped, Christine Godnick (now Christine Godnick-Marx) is retired, and Matt Jacobson (whose name she consistently misspells) passed away in 2008.

Here's a memorial page for Matthew Jacobson, with a comment from retired Sgt. Christine Godnick-Marx.

So, here's what we know:

-- Chief Capt. Haussler is retired, according to Judy herself

-- Reed Richards has not been with the UAG since Jan 2001

-- Matthew Jacobson is deceased (Oct. 2008)

-- Sgt. Christine Godnick-Marx has been retired since at least Jan. 2010

Yet, somehow this is all supposed to "prove" that Judy Byington has "worked as a consultant for the Utah Attorney General since 2006."

This just keeps getting better.
 
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I just now went to try to catch up on my notifications from Amazon, and none of the links to Stephan's review's comments work, plus the link to the review itself gives me a 404 Not Found error.

Is that happening to anyone else?

Did Stephan spit the dummy and delete it?
 
I just now went to try to catch up on my notifications from Amazon, and none of the links to Stephan's review's comments work, plus the link to the review itself gives me a 404 Not Found error.

Is that happening to anyone else?

Did Stephan spit the dummy and delete it?

It's gone. Not sure why, but it appears another of Judy's SRA's supporters just shot Judy in the foot. She referred to the book as "Ms. Byington's memoir," and "Ms. Byington's story,". What a great springboard for my own comment, right under Judy's blah, blah..."
http://tinyurl.com/ctzvfpy
 
It's gone. Not sure why, but it appears another of Judy's SRA's supporters just shot Judy in the foot. She referred to the book as "Ms. Byington's memoir," and "Ms. Byington's story,". What a great springboard for my own comment, right under Judy's blah, blah..."
http://tinyurl.com/ctzvfpy

Can someone ask that poster if she's any relation to Randy Noblett?
 

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