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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Altus,

I haven't looked at the "secret handshake" link you posted except to see that it was from a TV series.

However, the messge i take from her post on Amazon is that Sky Lover believes the Masons are evil. Am I understanding this correctly? And if so, where in the world did Sky Lover get that idea?

xterra
 
xterra said:
Altus,
However, the messge i take from her post on Amazon is that Sky Lover believes the Masons are evil. Am I understanding this correctly? And if so, where in the world did Sky Lover get that idea?

xterra
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I was curious about that too, xterra. Going by this blog post and the comments, it looks as though the Masons are also lumped in with the CIA/Illuminati conspiracy.
 
Dismember said:
I was curious about that too, xterra. Going by this blog post and the comments, it looks as though the Masons are also lumped in with the CIA/Illuminati conspiracy.
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It's a good thought, from the conspiracy side. If everyone's in on it, no one can sell you out.
 
Roma said:
Oh nevermind, I just remembered how mean those "special" DID/SRA kids have been, so go ahead and bring out the really scary stuff :alien009:
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They are BRUTAL, especially to Stormy and Doug :( And that also extends to a few other posters since they believe, or at least claim to believe, that many of the other posters are actually Doug. :rolleyes:

From what I can see the skeptics make a valiant effort to stay on topic, discuss facts, and not get drawn into their ad hominem battle, but the SRA believers make it hard to stay focused when they behave like schoolyard bullies - blatantly dishonest, petulant, vindictive, and downright cruel at times. They like to brag about controlling the discussion, which sadly, they ARE doing, by voting down the comments they disagree with so those comments are hidden by Amazon. In their own little space there on Amazon, they are in charge and they control what viewpoint the public will see.
 
Dismember said:
I was curious about that too, xterra. Going by this blog post and the comments, it looks as though the Masons are also lumped in with the CIA/Illuminati conspiracy.
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Dismember, I figured it out!

You and I and Garrette, and everyone else on the planet except those who have been abused (in reality or in their fantasies or in their induced memories) are part of the plot.

Name a person, and if that person is a member of an organization, the organization is involved. On the other hand, if the person is not a member of any organization, that's also evidence that there is a secret organization of which the person is a member. [ETA] and that organization is involved in the plot.

Oh, and Orphia and Douglas and Altus and ... they are the leaders. You can tell because they don't have powerful positions in the world. But they control the UN, and the US government, and probably the Aussies also, not to mention Iceland's government.

Does that clarify things for you?

xterra, who is trying to figure out why, if I am part of this grand conspiracy, I know nothing about it.
 
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Dismember said:
They are BRUTAL, especially to Stormy and Doug :( And that also extends to a few other posters since they believe, or at least claim to believe, that many of the other posters are actually Doug. :rolleyes:

From what I can see the skeptics make a valiant effort to stay on topic, discuss facts, and not get drawn into their ad hominem battle, but the SRA believers make it hard to stay focused when they behave like schoolyard bullies - blatantly dishonest, petulant, vindictive, and downright cruel at times. They like to brag about controlling the discussion, which sadly, they ARE doing, by voting down the comments they disagree with so those comments are hidden by Amazon. In their own little space there on Amazon, they are in charge and they control what viewpoint the public will see.
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Tylas, the new kid on the block, edits Wikipedia articles, which concerns me because she does not even know the denfinion of research. She thinks someone who publishes a book about the body remembering with fleeting references to neuroscience is somehow a researcher. She denounces Lilienfeld and posts that someone who writes opinion articles is a researcher.

What you are seeing is the support group mentality work its way on Amazon. A lot of them come from a website for DID. Anything said in a support group is valid and cause for praise. Because they subscribe to various conspiracy theories, including SRA, anyone who questions is the enemy...and potentially a Satanist and child abuser. This is the way they control the narrative and have for decades. The time has come to call it, though.

It's fine if they want to chat amongst themselves in a password protected site, but bring those delusions---yes the believe the Masons are part of the Illuminati--into the public arena and they should be prepared to take responsibility for their statements.
 
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Altus said:
[...] Anything said in a support group is valid and cause for praise. Because they subscribe to various conspiracy theories, including SRA, anyone who questions is the enemy...and potentially a Satanist and child abuser. This is the way they control the narrative and have for decades. The time has come to call it, though.
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Altus,

You and Douglas and Orphia and others have been trying to "call it" without success. Your attempts to discuss evidence and facts and to request that others do the same have come to naught.

The people at Amazon aren't going to intervene except as they have been doing.* Is there some other way to bring the discussion to a non-personal level? I don't see one.

xterra


*Assuming that redacting the comments is done by real people rather than an automated process.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Doesn't seem to involve "recovered memories", but I thought this might be of interest?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/14/cornish-white-witches-guilty-ritual-abuse
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Sad article. What concerns me is the complete lack of evidence. Everything seems to hinge on memories of "women" recalling things at the magic age of five or so. "One woman told how, at the age of five, she and other children attended a ritual at a stone circle with a fire..." All the article states is that the witnesses are women who recall things from the age of five or so. For some reason, five is the critical age for recovered memories---it's almost become a meme in repressed memory therapy. These men well could be criminals, but to what extent any ritual abuse played a role is pretty hazy.

Pagan stuff is pretty woo, it's not dark and sinister. Hard to know who is mixing what narrative here. There are plenty of therapists in the UK who are immersed in the repressed memory narrative. It would be interesting to know how the women who cannot be named as witnesses came to recall these memories. If this were the US, the method of memory recall would most likely be questioned as the idea that someone can recover a memory as a five-year old as an adult is very controversial and not always supported by the courts. http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissibility-of-repressed-memories.html
 
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xterra said:
Name a person, and if that person is a member of an organization, the organization is involved. On the other hand, if the person is not a member of any organization, that's also evidence that there is a secret organization of which the person is a member. [ETA] and that organization is involved in the plot.
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Yes, this feels true to me; you must be correct!

I hope the (Groucho) Marxists haven't been implicated... :boxedin:
 
xterra said:
Altus,

You and Douglas and Orphia and others have been trying to "call it" without success. Your attempts to discuss evidence and facts and to request that others do the same have come to naught.

The people at Amazon aren't going to intervene except as they have been doing.* Is there some other way to bring the discussion to a non-personal level? I don't see one.

xterra


*Assuming that redacting the comments is done by real people rather than an automated process.
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Some of Amazon is automated. Certain words result in the deletion of a comment. As for voting comments down, I'm not too worried, those are the first comments I hit in any discussion...the hidden ones :) Same with book reviews. I want to know the 1-stars before I invest in a book. The 1-stars are pretty substantial and the 5-stars are fluff so I don't see the 5-stars really helping. Also, the Amazon discussion provides comments that can be referenced in other forums, hidden or not. When F.Lee uses her Felicity moniker she is well aware of this. She has a brand to protect. This is why she had to erase all badgering of Doug...and why we got screen shots. She has commented in the WSJ under her moniker as it is the link to her website. There is no "Felicity" to my knowledge...it is a brand promoted by three women, who want to draw people to a DID website, but even so appears to go off the rails as the person behind it did one night while attacking Doug and then had to erase all the comments. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs=comments

Tylas has a reputation to protect elsewhere on the Internet. She wants to be taken seriously as someone who can discuss "scholarly" articles. If so, she must step up to the plate or her legacy on Amazon will be as one who mistakes opinion, pseudo-scientific cure peddlers, and biased theorists as research. As such, she should not be allowed to edit Wikipedia articles. Ellen Lacter, an SRA expert, has had her own issues with Wikipedia and has documented it. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/07_08/2009_07_30_CityofAngels_RitualSex.htm

Judy also has been made aware that her comments lumping anyone who opposes her as a supporter of child rapists amounts to false accusations and seems to have calmed down a bit. This used to be her standard reply to anyone who questioned her claims at all.

It may not appear so, but there is a larger narrative being drawn out here which has implications beyond Amazon. There are some major players the DID/SRA belief narrative here who try and shape the discourse in other forums. Revealing the weaknesses of their arguments is more important than whether a comment gets hidden or not (hidden comments can still be viewed). It's all material for another discussion. Nobody is going to peruse a thousand comments of a poorly written book. What we have uncovered in discussions with Byington and friends has stopped her media seep elsewhere. It's hard for folks to take her seriously now, especially journalists. I used the association with her to address the whole DID diagnosis and the head of APA's working group's involvement with the ISSTD in a public forum recently. This is gold! http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...-it-should-never-have-been-included-in-dsm-v/
 
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Hellbound said:
ONE of you does...

:boxedin:
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Wait, wait, Hellbound. You can't just leave it at that. Are you claiming that

a) i have MPD and one of the Ps knows, or

b) whether I have MPD or not, Douglas or Altus or Orphia knows, or

3) that there is a conspiracy under or behind the conspiracy and some member of that hidden hidden conspiracy knows?*

In any case, evidence is required, not merely assertion.

xterra, who is almost beside himself....


*If you are confused, think about what my state is. (Actually, Arizona.)
 
xterra said:
Wait, wait, Hellbound. You can't just leave it at that. Are you claiming that

a) i have MPD and one of the Ps knows, or

b) whether I have MPD or not, Douglas or Altus or Orphia knows, or

3) that there is a conspiracy under or behind the conspiracy and some member of that hidden hidden conspiracy knows?*

In any case, evidence is required, not merely assertion.

xterra, who is almost beside himself....


*If you are confused, think about what my state is. (Actually, Arizona.)
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Um, all of the above? Does that work?

;)

Actually, the joke was a), but I like combining all three ideas better)
 
No way, not derail, that is exactly the way those nut jobs think,
so thank-you for your superb examples xterra
 
Hey there folks. Just curious if anyone's heard from Doug? Wondering if Jenny hills son ever got in touch with him
 
Altus said:
Tylas has a reputation to protect elsewhere on the Internet. She wants to be taken seriously as someone who can discuss "scholarly" articles.
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Tylas's review is no longer on Amazon. I'd love to know whether she pulled it herself to "erase" all the critical comments or if Amazon removed it.
 
Altus, did you catch this little tidbit from "Felicity Lee"?

376 days ago Felicity Lee Wrote:

As I read through all of these comments, I become amazed that Debbie Nathan is the one who can't seem to resist the temptation to intercede her comments into her own book reviews. Does anyone else find this very tacky?. . . . My gosh, lady - let others review your book!
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Quite a stunning display of hypocrisy in light of Judy Byington's continuous interjections in the Amazon comments, and Felicity's consistent, fervent defense of her.
 
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