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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

lionking said:
On the basis of some of your posts here, the feeling is mutual.
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yer missing out, I'm a nice guy, a fun loving guy, I have a lot of friends and I make them laugh.

I just don't believe in reactionary nonsense legislation because one person did something horrible. (and someone will do it again)

For fracks sake a guy did this in NORWAY of all places!! There isn't a safer place in the world probably than Norway! and he bought his guns completely legally and by the book (and they have pretty tough laws according to this) http://www.dvc.org.uk/dunblane/andrew.html
 
What's making all these young guys goo off though? I'm just wondering. I know there is increased coverage, but there seems to be a lot more mass shootings like this. I can't remember a time where there were so many mass shootings in surburbs. Something about these young surburban males that is setting them off.
 
Profanz said:
Assault weapons make it too easy.
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News report I heard was that the two primary weapons used were both 9mm semi-auto pistols, identified by manufacturer only a Glock and SIG. An AR platform rifle was at the scene, but it hadn't been identified as being used at the time of the report.
 
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L.Y.S. said:
What's making all these young guys goo off though? I'm just wondering. I know there is increased coverage, but there seems to be a lot more mass shootings like this. I can't remember a time where there were so many mass shootings in surburbs. Something about these young surburban males that is setting them off.
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could be bullying,could be home problems, could be a lot of different things, and I think Columbine ,and the coverage of it, helped instill in some guys minds "hey, that's how I can get even, the world will know my name and my pain and I will show them all who the **** I am!"
 
StankApe said:
could be bullying,could be home problems, could be a lot of different things, and I think Columbine ,and the coverage of it, helped instill in some guys minds "hey, that's how I can get even, the world will know my name and my pain and I will show them all who the **** I am!"
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what?
 
When people want to restrict the amount of gun related death, what do they actually mean?

Suicide? That's the majority of deaths. Sad certainly, but seems like it's an issue with suicide rather than guns.

Homicide is around 40% of the gun deaths, but that's mostly criminals rather than spree killers or temporarily enraged legal owners. Seems like a problem to be addressed by anti-gang and turning around dysfunctional communities (banning guns is just a - probably ineffectual - band aid).

Seems like the mass shootings are a very minor part of the losses. Perhaps these psychologically driven crimes would be best addressed by asking the media to cover it differently? Deny future killers the prospect of glamorous news coverage...? Perhaps also say that you have to waive medical confidentiality as part of the background check so people can check if you have a condition?
 
L.Y.S. said:
What's making all these young guys goo off though? I'm just wondering. I know there is increased coverage, but there seems to be a lot more mass shootings like this. I can't remember a time where there were so many mass shootings in surburbs. Something about these young surburban males that is setting them off.
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In most of these cases with young guys it appears to be mental illness, especially schizophrenia. This usually manifests itself by the late teens... perhaps some could be avoided if the age to buy a gun was raised to 25. Wouldn't have helped in this case though, as he used his mother's guns.
 
Profanz said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ct-school-shooter-made-combat-weapon-article-1.1220431

Bad enough. 5 bullets in a second? Why does someone need that many weapons?
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We have already seen a man fire 12 rounds in 3 seconds from a prepared revolver...

These examples are semi-auto. They fire as fast as you can properly pull the trigger. 5 rounds a second seems unlikely on a stock weapon because of the trigger reset distance.

Semi-auto actions are found in all types of guns, not just whatever you want to label an "assault weapon".

This is a semi-auto capable of firing as fast as you can pull the trigger with a "large magazine capacity". I own one of these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marlin_Model_60_22LR.JPG
 
The Glock, made in Austria, and the American-made SIG Sauer can fire up to five bullets a second at a velocity of 1,200 feet a second.
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That's a bog standard 9X19 caliber semi-auto pistol definition...

EDIT: Except for the 5 bullets a second part. I disagree with that for a stock weapon.
 
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Profanz said:
what?
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I said that i think that Columbine and the press coverage of it has influenced some of these young guys who were bullied, have bad home lives, mental illness whatever to act out in a similar manner. To go out in a blaze of glory and feel like they were important....
 
A Glock is a striker fired pistol. It has a trigger disconnect. It has a long trigger pull, that must be released to the reset point after each shot, or it will not fire again.

Most, if not all, striker fired pistols work that way.

This makes the 5 shots a second quite difficult without altering the trigger, imo.

These type of pistols do not have a hammer that hits a firing pin.
 
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LashL said:
It seems to me that the reality is that approximately 20 young children and several of their adult teachers are dead today because of the proliferance and ready accessibility of guns in the U.S.

I realize that there is a certain sub-set of USians who feel that their constitutional "right to bear arms" should trump all other rights, but when that conflicts with every other USian's constitutional right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", shouldn't the latter prevail?

(Yes, I am being deliberately provocative here, but let's see where it goes.)
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Which ones? enumerated in the Bill of Rights?

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is indeed enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, but is not a right enumerated in the BoR.

What civil suit, and against whom should I file should I not be happy? Do I file against my doctor if I'm diagnosed with cancer? If I lose my liberty through criminal or otherwise anti-social conduct do I have a case?
 
LTC8K6 said:
We have already seen a man fire 12 rounds in 3 seconds from a prepared revolver...

These examples are semi-auto. They fire as fast as you can properly pull the trigger. 5 rounds a second seems unlikely on a stock weapon because of the trigger reset distance.

Semi-auto actions are found in all types of guns, not just whatever you want to label an "assault weapon".

This is a semi-auto capable of firing as fast as you can pull the trigger with a "large magazine capacity". I own one of these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marlin_Model_60_22LR.JPG
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I'm not a gun guy. I'm sure you could educate me on it. It just seems to me that guns are becoming more efficient at killing large amounts of people in a short time. You don't even need to be a good shot. Just wave the gun and pull the trigger and its over. 20 kids dead or a theater full of movie goers.

If someone buys several of these weapons in a short period of time shouldn't it raise a red flag somewhere? What war are they planning on fighting?
 
Profanz said:
What is the purpose of these assault weapons? We have the right to bear arms but does that mean everyone should be able to own a nuke?

These crazies pull the trigger in a matter of seconds and mow down a room full of people. What is the reason for anyone to own such a weapon?
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By definition, an "assault rifle" is a selective fire semi-automatic/automatic firearm. The media intentionally misuse the term to further sensationalize the report.

The Connecticut school shooter DID NOT USE an assault weapon.
The Oregon mall shooter DID NOT USE an assault weapon.
The Colorado theatre shooter DID NOT USE an assault weapon.

If we're going to ignore the correct definition of an 'assault weapon' then we can ban, prohibit or restrict anything we don't approve of by placing the word 'assault' in front of it...
 
I agree with you on that Stank Ape. I also think there is no reason for anyone to own a gun that wasn't designed to hunt game animals. I don't think raising the age to buy a gun to 25 is going to avoid schizophrenics going on a rampage, rethinking the closures of the vast majority of state run mental health institutions in the 70's might be more productive.
 
LTC8K6 said:
That's a bog standard 9X19 caliber semi-auto pistol definition...

EDIT: Except for the 5 bullets a second part. I disagree with that for a stock weapon.
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A skilled shooter can "bump-fire" a semi-auto pistol at close to theoretic cyclic rate - as a parlor trick. No accuracy, period.

And before our gun-ignorant posters jump on board, firing in this fashion is the single worst tactical and/or defensive use of a firearm, period. If such a shooter could actually hit an individual target by intent, I'd be astounded.
 
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