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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

Dan Gross (Brady Campaign) and Jerrold Nadler (Congressman) are on MSNBC right now blaming the NRA for the lack of gun control laws which they say could have prevented this tragedy. The blame actually belongs to Congress, not the lobbyists. Cowards like these guys who refuse to admit the plain truth will never be able convince Congress that a new gun control law will help reduce the violence.

This is probably why there will most likely be no significant action taken by congress over shootings like these.

Ranb
 
scarlettinlondon said:
The most obvious common factor in mass shootings is the gun.
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Except these are rare events. The vast, overwhelming majority of gun owners (in the tens of millions) in the US don't do this. The common factor is a certain kind of mental illness that very occasionally manifests itself in a spree killing.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Gun control advocates agenda IS to prevent sad events like this.
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Yeah, sure it is. Just like the KKK wants to just get along with everyone not like themselves. If the major gun control advocates were not so interested punishing law abiding gun owners, and stuck to telling the truth, then they might make some progress.

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
Yeah, sure it is. Just like the KKK wants to just get along with everyone not like themselves. If the major gun control advocates were not so interested punishing law abiding gun owners, and stuck to telling the truth, then they might make some progress.

Ranb
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Right, gun control advocates just want to punish gun owners.:rolleyes:
Disagreement on how best to limit gun violence is one thing, claiming that the other side just wants to punish gun owners is just plain stupid. What if I said that gun advocates just want to shoot people?
 
thaiboxerken said:
I have a hard time thinking that gun owners at home are always holstered or armed, just waiting for a home invasion.
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Not all burglars are 100% competent.

There was someone trying to pick the lock on my door and I actually had time to go grab my 12 gage from the locked case, get it out and get back to the door, give a warning to the person trying to pick the lock, and then cock the 12 gage. The next thing I heard were footsteps high tailing it out of there.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I thought it was to shoot the bad guys.
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Most of the bad guys seem to be bad guys topping themselves.

''In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012).''

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
 
thaiboxerken said:
Gun owners should pay for it.
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What about the poor person who barely managed to scrape up enough money to buy a gun, to protect their family from the hordes of evil home invaders, but doesn't have the money to pay for frequent mental evaluation? Shouldn't the poor have the right to bear arms or is that a right only for those with $$$?
 
Mike Huckabee has responded to today's wickedness with an observation that is so goddamned idiotic that I shall for the foresseable future refer to him by his title, which is unmentionable but which rhymes with "gas soul."
 
Ranb said:
Yeah, sure it is. Just like the KKK wants to just get along with everyone not like themselves. If the major gun control advocates were not so interested punishing law abiding gun owners, and stuck to telling the truth, then they might make some progress.

Ranb
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I think you often find the shooter was a law abiding gun owner, till he wasn't.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They say they want to keep guns out of the hands of the crazy people. I agree. All people wanting to own guns should be evaluated, frequently, for mental health.
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Even though this post was dripping with a condescending tone, I really don't have a problem with submitting myself to a mental check. It would be a minor inconvenience to ensure that a lunatic or two are identified in advance of what happened today.

However, who makes the decision that you're competent? Your doctor? The local sheriff? Both? Someone else?

Again, as long as its fair and unbiased, I could live with such a requirement.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm sure guns won't be banned. I actually don't care. The reasons gun nutters give for wanting to own guns, however, never impressed me. I also can't understand why some people become so emotionally attached to their guns.
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People are emotionally attached to their rights, not their guns. I'm sure some people fetishize their weapons, but most people actually see the loss of rights as exactly that, a loss of rights.
 
Sabretooth said:
Even though this post was dripping with a condescending tone, I really don't have a problem with submitting myself to a mental check. It would be a minor inconvenience to ensure that a lunatic or two are identified in advance of what happened today.

However, who makes the decision that you're competent? Your doctor? The local sheriff? Both? Someone else?

Again, as long as its fair and unbiased, I could live with such a requirement.
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Furthermore, and I speak as someone who (eventually) believes in the system we have over here, what qualifies as mental health? I have a diagnosed mental disorder, but I don't believe that I am more likely than the average person to someday get together several guns and kill several strangers. This is the problem I have with people automatically saying that the perpetrator in this case must have had a mental illness, as if it's the sort of thing that people with mental illnesses do.

Presumably schizophrenia would disqualify an applicant. Maybe also depression. How about ADD? Or autism? Or Agoraphobia?
 
thaiboxerken said:
Go ahead. Tell us how to identify who are the high risk people.
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I wish we could. A friend said it best ; "I don't believe in calling "inexplicable" events that are endlessly repeated. There is a social component to mental illness, to extremism, to terrorism, to despair. And until we stop accepting "no explanation" as an explanation and "prayers" for solutions, these incidents are going to continue. "

I think that spree killers are identifiable. This isn't a "morality" issue. This isn't "because of the gun rights lobby." Why do so many people who hold science in such esteem feel that we should throw up our hands and stop looking for answers? "Just ban guns! That'll fix it!"

No it won't.
 
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