Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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. . .They [freemen] present themselves in a way that makes them look paranoid or insane.

There once was a time, thanks to snake oil salesmen like Eldon Warman and Robert Menard, freemen thought they could escape the authority of the law by using magic words.

But freemanism has moved into a new phase in which all but the most delusional freemen no longer have any expectation of using freeman legal theory to talk the cop out of the ticket, or convince the prosecutor that he’s committed no crime, or win in court.

Now each time a judge or the jury tells them they are guilty freeman cult members tell themselves the verdict is the work of the evil government/commercial court. Other cult members back up this belief via email, in the freeman only forums or over the breakfast buffet at Denny’s.

I theorize that the freeman cult has found in the courts, a public forum in which they can sass the judge, deny the law’s authority and say all the things they have always wanted say to authority figures.

Far from being the root of evil oppression the freeman cult imagines, the courts (particularly those in Canadian) gently listen to freeman rants. This official patience allows the freeman to use the judge, the prosecutor and other court officials as stand-ins for the teachers, cops, landlords and even parents he feels have pushed him around over the years.

At highly censored freeman only forums (which ironically do censor free speech) it is not uncommon to read a freeman wannabe’s idyllic account of the tongue lashing he imagines he gave a judge, or a bailiff, or a cop. High on the juice of hs imagined righteous, angry pay back the freeman is told he did good by key board warrior cult members who live vicariously through his story.

Far from harmless, the need to pay back authority figures takes center stage in the freeman's mind as the lives and often the families of such deluded freeman cult members are ruined.

All the while these modern mavens of "do no harm" palaver in court and on the internet hard earned pay (often the wife's) is soaked up in needless court costs and additional fines, homes are foreclosed, jobs lost, marriages ruined, children‘s needs ignored.

. . .all so the freeman can pay back his cold old daddy for not loving him enough.
 
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It finally looks like Robert has now accepted that the courts and legal system do in fact have jurisdiction.
A freeman on the land taking legal action.

Whatever next.
I dont consent to Roberts lawsuit.
 
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Menard has lost the plot, what on earth is he hoping to achieve?
Is he claiming some kind of defamation of character?
Doesn't he realise that you have to actually have a valid reputation in the first place before anyone can ruin it?
I have e-mails from him claiming all my exposure of him as not affected him at all yet now he claims defamation???
 
What's this email that was sent to Victoria West Community Centre? It seems as though that's his smoking gun.

Hopefully someone can post a copy of the claim somewhere soon.

I guess this thread will be alive and well for the foreseeable future. Imagine if Mr. Menard's claim is unsuccesful, on the off chance he has filed a bogus claim. Members of this forum would have a judgment for costs against Menard. But something tells me he'd be a hard guy to collect from. Maybe specifically instruct a civil enforcement agency to seize his fez. It might be of special value to collectors of FMOTL memorabilia.
 
This was the OP from the thread that Aulus linked to which has now been deleted:

ATTENTION 'arayder', 'jargon buster', D'rok, J.D. Rooke, Pamela Roth

1. Legal action has been initiated against a John Doe in the Supreme Court of British Columbia.
2. The file number is 12- 3978 at the Victoria Registry.
3. An order to release an email sent to The Victoria West Community Centre has been secured and the offender identified as *******.
4. His IP address is known.
5. Leave from the court to identify two parties 'jargon buster' and 'arayder' by IP address will be sought.
6. The Statement of Claim will be amended to claim that 'jargon buster' 'arayder' and 'D'rok' conspired to defame and commit libel and did in fact do so.
7. The Statement of Claim will be amended further to include J.D.Rooke along with evidence that he was a party to a conspiracy, evidenced by his own words, and the words of 'D'rok' as posted on the RANDI Forum.
8. Leave from the court will be sought to identify 'D'rok by ISP or alternatively serve notice of this action in a newspaper.
9. D'rok's identity is known, though IP information will be required to establish sufficient evidence.
10. Araryder has posted on the RANDI forum how HE respects the law and the courts and we Freemen do not. Unless he stands and identifies, his words are false.
Note: I don't really care about securing a collectable judgment against arayder or JB, merely establishing that they and D'rok conspired, and that said conspiracy or parts of it occurred in British Columbia. That allows me to go after D'rok, and he is a lawyer in Alberta. (Hi ****)

Further J.D.Rooke extended a challenge to me to make use of the courts. I am doing so to sue him personally, and if he attempts to claim 'absolute privilege' then we know that his challenge was specious and that the biggest problem we see (that being that the Judges think they are above the law), will be established in the court of public opinion. Further I believe the evidence of a prior conspiracy defeats any claim of absolute privilege.

See you in court arayder, or not. Or should I call you ****************? After all, you are such a staunch supporter of law and order and the courts, and you are so sure you have done nothing wrong, you won't try to hide will you? Incidentally, thank you for copying and pasting D'roks letter almost word for word and sending it to the Vic West Community Centre. It is clear evidence when coupled with what D'rok posted that you two conspired, and that allows me to go after him. You may be out of my reach, he is not.

** I have edited the post to delete personal info about members.
 
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I find it amazing....

Welcome, LordEd, to the thread (created by the one and only JargonBuster) - devoted not only to laughing at idiotic FOTL-Waffle but also aimed pure and squarely at Canada's biggest FOTL-Conman... Robert Menard.

Unfortunately there is little to "debunk" in this area as it is, and always has been, blatantly obvious BS since it was copied from U.S. Sov scams of the '70s.

Menard ran away from this thread quite a while ago, but JB's op still stands.

ETA: No idea what happened with time there. Seems I missed a day of posts for some reason.
 
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Hey I'm insulted to not be included amongst this august group to be sued.....man you debunk and debunk and at the end of the day the loons leave you out of the lawsuit....(sob)
 
This was the OP from the thread that Aulus linked to which has now been deleted:...

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The Wolverine , (Internet Warrior that he is) should, after over a decade, have now realised that deleting BS doesn't make it go away on Tha InterWabz.

Rob.... GeoCities is so 80's, just like your Scam! :)
 
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Hey I'm insulted to not be included amongst this august group to be sued.....man you debunk and debunk and at the end of the day the loons leave you out of the lawsuit....(sob)

You forgot to "conspire" with 'jargon buster' 'arayder' and 'D'rok'.
If you had done that your strawman would be on Menard's list.
 
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