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Despite strenuous objections from rogues states Israel and the US (and from rogue poodle Canada) things are looking hopeful for UN recognition of Palestine.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
When all you offer is your personal opinion and rhetoric then it's ONLY about you. You rarely ever offer anything other than empty bigoted rhetoric. You may try to present it as factual, but of course it's not.
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Jonnyclueless said:
They aren't forced. In fact most intentionally stay to die as martyrs. Some are forced to stay by Hamas while the militants who launch the rockets hide in shelters leaving the civilians to die.
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Absolute rubbish. Most of the Israeli bombs targeted Palestinian infrastructure (water, electricity etc) and government buildings that Palestinians depend on for essential services. Israel's criminal aim is to make Gaza uninhabitable so that the population will leave Greater Israel to make room for its supposedly God-given Israeli owners.

Jonnyclueless said:
And yet you have no problem with their schools being used to launch attacks on others. You don't mention anything about that being against Geneva conventions. You don't raise any issue when children in Israel are killed as a result of those rocket attacks carried out from school, churches and mosques. You take no issue with the fact that those locations are intentionally used so as to get children killed in order to get people like you to help support their cause and encourage them to continue using children as shields.

And you sit here expecting us to think you care about kids? You expect us to think you care about the lives of civilians while apologizing for a group that slaughters wedding parties for simply singing. You hate that a piece of equipment fails and kills a wedding party, but if a group slaughters the wedding party intentionally simply for singing, we will see no complaints from you.
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lol @ you and your pissing contest.
 
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JihadJane said:
Despite strenuous objections from rogues states Israel and the US (and from rogue poodle Canada) things are looking hopeful for UN recognition of Palestine.
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Maybe I am pedantic, but the UN general assembly have already voted twice on resolutions recognizing a Palestinian state. (In 1947, and 1988 for those who are interested.)
 
Doctor Evil said:
Maybe I am pedantic, but the UN general assembly have already voted twice on resolutions recognizing a Palestinian state. (In 1947, and 1988 for those who are interested.)
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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s request is to go from observer entity to non-member observer state.
 
The Don said:
I can't find anything to support this. Apart from your gut feel do you have a source for this ?
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http://www.theaugeanstables.com/200...-israeli-occupation-to-palestinian-self-rule/

Israel built the roads, the hospitals, the schools, the universities. They built the electrical grid. Laid telegraph wires. Palestinians took day jobs in Israel and were paid Israeli wages. Higher than what the average Egyptian or Jordanian earned. The economy did well. Gaza and the West Bank had a booming tourist industry. Nobody would consider going there for a holiday now.

They had more freedom under Israeli occupation than they have under the gangster Fatah or the fanatical Hamas terrorists or the surrounding Arab dictatorships. If you committed a crime the Israelis didn't shoot you in the head and drag your corpse from a motorcycle. There was a civil administration. Israelis and Arabs went to the beaches together. There were bikinis on the beach. British adult magazine Penthouse did a nude photo shoot on Gaza beach called "The Gaza Strip". (NSFW) Who would feel safe doing that now?

If everyone just ignored them and did nothing the Palestinians would be better off. Plucking Arafat and his terrorist goons out of retirement, giving him millions and handing over the territories to him was a disaster. Good intentions don't always equal good results. If you really want to help the Palestinians, stop trying to help them.
 
JihadJane said:
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s request is to go from observer entity to non-member observer state.
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Hope they get rejected. They can all pretend that the state they deserve will be along somebody else's voided armistice lines. Go figure.
 
Virus said:
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/200...-israeli-occupation-to-palestinian-self-rule/

Israel built the roads, the hospitals, the schools, the universities. They built the electrical grid. Laid telegraph wires. Palestinians took day jobs in Israel and were paid Israeli wages. Higher than what the average Egyptian or Jordanian earned. The economy did well. Gaza and the West Bank had a booming tourist industry. Nobody would consider going there for a holiday now.

They had more freedom under Israeli occupation than they have under the gangster Fatah or the fanatical Hamas terrorists or the surrounding Arab dictatorships. If you committed a crime the Israelis didn't shoot you in the head and drag your corpse from a motorcycle. There was a civil administration. Israelis and Arabs went to the beaches together. There were bikinis on the beach. British adult magazine Penthouse did a nude photo shoot on Gaza beach called "The Gaza Strip". (NSFW) Who would feel safe doing that now?

If everyone just ignored them and did nothing the Palestinians would be better off. Plucking Arafat and his terrorist goons out of retirement, giving him millions and handing over the territories to him was a disaster. Good intentions don't always equal good results. If you really want to help the Palestinians, stop trying to help them.
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The "Civil Administration" was military occupation. The 'day jobs' were day jobs because the Palestinians doing those jobs were not allowed to stay in Israel overnight. The Americans had it good under England, if you believe the English, they rebelled. The Indians had it good under England, they rebelled. The English Empire is no more, despite the claims that it was so good for everyone. Everyone wants to rule themselves, not have someone else do it for them. That is a repeated lesson in history.

I agree that economic interdependence was good for creating a peaceful situation, it made people wealthier, it gave them something to preserve, it made them dependent on each other.

The settler movement was one of the forces that put an end to that. Palestinians saw their land could be taken.

Australia to abstain from vote on Palestinian observer status in UN. Australia has long been a supporter of Israel.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-27/australia-to-abstain-from-palestinian-vote/4395000

It now thinks that if there is to be a two state solution, someone has to demonstrate that there will be one. Not act as if it won't happen.
 
JihadJane said:
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s request is to go from observer entity to non-member observer state.
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They could have had full statehood over 60 years ago but they rejected it because they didn't want to live next to Jews.
 
Excellent overview from Jewish Voice for Peace:

'Israel and Palestine, an animated introduction.'

 
JihadJane said:
Excellent overview from Jewish Voice for Peace:

'Israel and Palestine, an animated introduction.'

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Ten seconds in, and already the video is a massive failure.

Jews already lived in Palestine. Jews coming to Palestine bought land to live on. The land was not taken away from Palestinians and given to Jews..

Why should I continue to watch this film if it can't even get the basic facts right in the first ten seconds?
 
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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s request is to go from observer entity to non-member observer state.
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They could have had full statehood over 60 years ago but they rejected it because they didn't want to live next to Jews.
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As a matter of fact, surveys consistently show that the Israeli populace is willing to surrender a considerable amount of land in exchange for peace. Equally consistently, this offer is rejected by HAMAS. Every Israeli withdrawal is followed up by harsher attacks from Palestine.

Giving up ground is interpreted by HAMAS as appeasement. It only makes them more aggressive.
 
Virus said:
Not that the media will tell you that. They've got a story to sell.
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So does the American Thinker. Stories like New Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Proof in the Layers ("Obama's PDF file, like everything else from this administration, is a composite, a lie, an illusion -- even down to the deceptive colors presented in the file."), New Photos From Occidental Years Show Real Obama ("Most shockingly, the photos show Obama wearing a band on his left ring finger that WND alleges reads 'there is no God but Allah.'"), and The Case Against Darwin ("In fact the Second Law of Thermodynamics is squarely against the development of life, and soundly against the evolution of species as conceived by the Darwinists.").

Might want to pick a better source next time.
 
RT's Abby Martin responds to the Israel's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists:

'Israel's War on Truth | Brainwash Update'

 
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IDB87 said:
Ten seconds in, and already the video is a massive failure.

Jews already lived in Palestine. Jews coming to Palestine bought land to live on. The land was not taken away from Palestinians and given to Jews..

Why should I continue to watch this film if it can't even get the basic facts right in the first ten seconds?
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No no no, you have it wrong, the land, all of it, belonged to the Palestinians, the fact that there had been a series of Empires that were in control of the area for thousands of years was totally irrelevant, none of them owned the land, they just occupied it. Nor did any of the peoples that were there prior to the Arabs arriving after the fall of the Romans, and it remained the Arabs then even through the next six empires' rule. That is why Britain had no mandate to do what it wanted with the land it took from the Ottoman Empire, because it belonged to those that took it off the Romans. It's also why those Jews that bought land were buying stolen land, because the Ottoman Empire didn't really own any of it either.
 
JihadJane said:
RT's Abby Martin responds to the Israel's bombing of media buildings and targeting of journalists:

'Israel's War on Truth | Brainwash Update'

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You'd love how Russia fights wars and treats occupied people Jane.

I'm sure the outrage over Russia's occupation of South Ossetia is bound to start any second now. Then again, given the complete fustercluck imposed on the Palestinians in the name of some sham, pipe-dream "solution", maybe they should be grateful everyone ignores them.
 
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Virus said:
You'd love how Russia fights wars and treats occupied people Jane.

I'm sure the outrage over Russia's occupation of South Ossetia is bound to start any second now.
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I think the Siege of Grozny is a fine example of what actually happens when a super power doesn't give a damn about non-combatants.

The whole war is not that big of a deal nowadays in the West - just Russians killing Russians.

But Gaza? The horror will last a thousand centuries!
 
IDB87 said:
I think the Siege of Grozny is a fine example of what actually happens when a super power doesn't give a damn about non-combatants.

The whole war is not that big of a deal nowadays in the West - just Russians killing Russians.

But Gaza? The horror will last a thousand centuries!
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I was thinking of the more recent invasion and occupation of parts of Georgia. Where Russian troops targeted civilians, looted houses and set fire to forests.

It was accompanied by howls of protests and angry demonstration by the left. Wha? Sorry just woke up. I was dreaming just then.

Since JihadJane has me on ignore for being too awesome, maybe someone can ask her what she thinks of Russia's conduct in recent wars and ongoing occupations. Since she's such a big fan of Putin Today.
 
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