General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[John Mekki]

That is not a valid excuse for ignoring what Ahmadinejad has said.

I am not ignoring what Ahmadinejad said

It does not justify Ahmadinejad's actions, or excuse them.

I am not justifying what Ahmadinejad said

Ahmadinejad should not be publically supporting genocide. Period. It is not good for him, it is not good for the Iranian people, it is not good for anyone, and no excuse will change that.

I am not sure Ahmadinejad is publically supporting genocide.
Surely McHrozni is (or very very close to "genocide", however you would consider a preemptive nuclear strike to a country that has not attacked you first).
And he is not the only one, unfortunately.

Perhaps because this [a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran] is a way to prevent a nuclear holocaust, rather than starting one. If you can't tell the difference between the two you need to get your medicine adjusted.

 

[WildCat]

not all israelis of jews are zionist, and not all zionists are jews.

Wow, sounds a lot like the people who say "not all blacks are *******, and not all ******* are black". And we have a name for those people...

 

[WildCat]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1173

"On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests.

This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine."

Quite an odd place on the internet for someone who is not an anti-semite (no way!) to hang out at.

 

[WildCat]

re-read what he said.
he did not threaten genocide.
he said that history would not remember the 'state' of israel.
this is not a threat to its people, only to their treacherous 'state' with its draconian domestic and foreign policies.

Why do the Iranians seem to be confused as to what he said?

Yep, nothing says "not genocidal, not even vilent, no way" like those pics from Tehran!

 

[Doctor Evil]

actually, it appears that about 73% of jews are zionists...higher than i would have thought...
so 73% of the jewish world view themselves as superior to their fellow humans and believe this gives them the right to administer an apartheid state in the middle east.
wow.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1173

A cursory reading of the website lead me to suspect that it represents the views of a sect known as Neturei Karta. These are the religious loons who you see go to visit Ahmadinejad in Iran. Are you sure you want to use them as a source?

 

[L.Y.S.]

Wow, sounds a lot like the people who say "not all blacks are *******, and not all ******* are black". And we have a name for those people...

This is a terrible comparison. The N-word is not attached to an ideological concept of nationalism and fierce independence. How can you compare a racial slur to a concept of nationhood? That would be the rough equivalent of relating manifest destiny to what it means to be an Anglo-American. The concepts don’t match in anyway, other than most Anglo-Americans did indeed believe in manifest destiny during the nineteenth century. However, not all Anglo-Americans supported manifest destiny, some even viewed it as destructive. And the same can be said about some Jews. Some Jews aren't Zionists, that is apparently clear. The N-word is a racial concept, Zionism is not. Zionists are not a race of people, it is a concept held by people which is sparked by nationalism, like manifest destiny. I don't know where you got off to comparing racial concepts to political ones, but they are not mutually exclusive as I've said before.

 

[bikerdruid]

Wow, sounds a lot like the people who say "not all blacks are *******, and not all ******* are black". And we have a name for those people...

wow...really.

 

[bikerdruid]

Perhaps because this is a way to prevent a nuclear holocaust, rather than starting one.

you support a preemptive nuke strike on a country that has no nukes, to prevent a nuke war?
wow...the epitome of hypocrisy and stupidity.

 

[Darth Rotor]

'Resistance' by the pint: Palestinian brewery thrives Nadim Khoury l

Fight the power! Use good Boston Irish influences to do so!

And I quote, from the news clip:

"Beer is the symbol of hope for the Palestinian People!"
"Beer is a healthy beverage to drink."

Use beer, not bombs, to fight for freedom!

 

[HoverBoarder]

I am not ignoring what Ahmadinejad said

I am not justifying what Ahmadinejad said

I am not sure Ahmadinejad is publically supporting genocide.

What do you think Ahmadinejad is supporting than?

Peace, understanding, and the mutual recognition of the right to live?

Surely McHrozni is (or very very close to "genocide", however you would consider a preemptive nuclear strike to a country that has not attacked you first).
And he is not the only one, unfortunately.

A preemptive strike would be bad. Very, very bad.

What do you think should be done to prevent all of this hot and bothered talk on both sides?

I would say that both sides should do a lot more talking to each other rather than past.


Sanctions are helping to bring the Iranian regime to the negotiating table. Their last offer was that if all sanctions were removed, and there were no monitors, than a few years down the road they would think about not developing nuclear weapons.

Hopefully this time they will be more serious.

 

[Virus]

actually, it appears that about 73% of jews are zionists...higher than i would have thought...
so 73% of the jewish world view themselves as superior to their fellow humans and believe this gives them the right to administer an apartheid state in the middle east.
wow.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1173

73% of Jews are evil. Not that I'm an antisemite or anything.

 

[bikerdruid]

73% of Jews are evil. Not that I'm an antisemite or anything.

i'm certain that your estimate is way too high.
i'm sure that many zionists are nice people, but misguided.
like the rest of the world, probably no more than one to five percent are truly evil.

you do like putting words in people's mouths.
i never used the word 'evil'.

 

[Virus]

i'm certain that your estimate is way too high.
i'm sure that many zionists are nice people, but misguided.
like the rest of the world, probably no more than one to five percent are truly evil.

you do like putting words in people's mouths.
i never used the word 'evil'.

Nah, you just called 73% of Jews supremacists and racists.

73% of the jewish world view themselves as superior to their fellow humans and believe this gives them the right to administer an apartheid state

 

[bikerdruid]

Nah, you just called 73% of Jews supremacists and racists.

zionists believe that they are 'the chosen of god'.
zionists believe they have a right to evict palestinians from their land because god gave it to them.

they consider themselves above the rest of us.
i call that 'supremacist'.
what do you call it?

 

[angrysoba]

'Resistance' by the pint: Palestinian brewery thrives Nadim Khoury l

Fight the power! Use good Boston Irish influences to do so!

And I quote, from the news clip:

"Beer is the symbol of hope for the Palestinian People!"
"Beer is a healthy beverage to drink."

Use beer, not bombs, to fight for freedom!

I'm glad to see that brewery still doing well. I've tried Taybeh before and it's actually really good.

Thanks for posting that clip.

 

[trustbutverify]

zionists believe that they are 'the chosen of god'.
zionists believe they have a right to evict palestinians from their land because god gave it to them.

they consider themselves above the rest of us.
i call that 'supremacist'.
what do you call it?

More illiterate idiocy from the self appointed antiimperialists.

But they're not bigots or racists. Bite your tongue!

 

[angrysoba]

zionists believe that they are 'the chosen of god'.
zionists believe they have a right to evict palestinians from their land because god gave it to them.

they consider themselves above the rest of us.
i call that 'supremacist'.
what do you call it?

Surely you should gain a bit more awareness about Zionism before you pontificate in this way. There are actually a number of competing definitions of what makes someone a Zionist and certainly not all of them are religiously-inspired; it may simply be a desire for national self-determination as is generally extended to most ethnic or national groups.

 

[bikerdruid]

Surely you should gain a bit more awareness about Zionism before you pontificate in this way. There are actually a number of competing definitions of what makes someone a Zionist and certainly not all of them are religiously-inspired; it may simply be a desire for national self-determination as is generally extended to most ethnic or national groups.

fair enough.
this definition certainly applies to a small percentage of zionists, as i mentioned earlier in response to virus' claim that 73%of jews are evil.

 

[trustbutverify]

73% of Jews are evil. Not that I'm an antisemite or anything.

Apparently, that 73% isn't necessarily evil. Just cancerous tumors.

 

[bigjelmapro]

**** the useful idiots. Go die in a fire. Or in a log cabin on occupied native lands.