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Rove making excuses

Alferd_Packer said:
How long before someone files a lawsuit over the expenditure of super PAC funds?
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A super PAC donor filing suit? Because he was promised something that wasn't delivered? It would be a fascinating thing to see, but ultimately fruitless. I Did anyone think their donations actually guaranteed the result of a Presidential election? I would like to see some sort of suit alleging that the PAC chair diverted funds to himself or his cronies with no real intention of helping anybody do anything.
 
Loss Leader said:
I think the important bit of evolution that we'll see isn't the disappearance of Rove from politics, but a significant change in the super-PAC system.

Rove pretty much proved that you can't buy the presidency. You can buy name recognition and maybe that will pull you through the primary process, but all of these secret unaccountable millions of dollars are not going to get you votes. I think this is great news.

The lesson for Republicans is that they have to communicate with a broader array of people. To do that, they are going to have to include a broader array of people. And that will cause them to move away from the crazy right edge of nonsense.

The only alternative is for the Republican party to become an ever-shrinking pool of angry, old white people.
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You know what might work?
The Republicans should come up with a platform and plans that the majority of the voters like.
Didja ever think of that?

Also, some candidates that are not complete gits might help..
 
Puppycow said:
First of all, it must be said: Who cares?
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Yeah, when I first read Rove's comment, I was going to post the pic below. But now that it's been pointed out that it isn't even true, it's all rather moot.

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Steve S
 
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality... we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." -- Karl Rove, 2004

"What?!? What do you mean reality didn't turn out the way I wanted?!? Can't be! Waaaahhh! Waaaaahhh!!!" -- Karl Rove (paraphrased), 2012

Final score: Reality, 1; Karl Rove, 0.
 
mikedenk said:
Good read, thanks. Here's a couple of articles from the side of fail:

The Unmitigated Disaster Known As Project ORCA

Inside Orca: How the Romney Campaign Suppressed Its Own Vote
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Project Orca was supposed to enable poll watchers to record voter names on their smartphones, by listening for names as voters checked in. This would give the campaign real-time turnout data, so they could redirect GOTV resources throughout the day where it was most needed. They recruited 37,000 swing state volunteers for this.
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This sounds like a great plan. Except, what happened to the paranioia of having technology present in the polling place?

Let's try a little google sleuthing: [colorado election poll watcher cell phone]

http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/rule_making/CurrentRules/8CCR1505-1/Rule8.pdf

8.4 *Watchers are not allowed to have cell phones, cameras, recording devices, laptops or PDAs (Palm Pilot, Blackberry, etc.) in the polling place.
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Rule 8 – As amended and effective 8/15/12 1*
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Kind of looks like the couldn't have used ORCA even if I'd did work. At least not in the author's state and probably most other states too.
 
I do not believe that "redirecting GOTV resources" on election day after voting has already begun can seriously affect the results.
 
Delvo said:
I do not believe that "redirecting GOTV resources" on election day after voting has already begun can seriously affect the results.
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Do you close your eyes when you say that.. And then tap your heals together three times?

In 2008, an estimated 1.9 million voters did not cast a ballot for one simple and solvable reason: they did not know where to go. As organizers, we know how frustrating it can be when people want to engage and want to vote, but don’t know how. And when we don’t have the resources easily available to give them the information they need, we miss opportunities.
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[http://getoutthevotetowin.com/blog/]​

Someone appears to have gone to the trouble of finding this out. Instead of relying on blind faith, perhaps it would make more sense to track down how this person arrives at that figure.
 
Dan O. said:
Do you close your eyes when you say that.. And then tap your heals together three times?

...Instead of relying on blind faith...
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What was the point of making up absurd stuff to pretend I said instead of just answering what I actually did say?

Don't bother answering. It was rhetorical, and after that display of pointless jackassitude, I won't see it.
 
Spektator said:
Credit where it's due. Romney was indeed demonized early on.

By Newt Gingrich.
By Ron Paul.
By Rick Santorum.
By Herman Cain.
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Very true, in fact Gingrich and Santorum dealt some of the most powerful and earliest blows long before Obama ever laid a glove on Romney.

Early on during the primaries, I felt that the hand of Karl Rove was likely in a lot what was going on with regard to other candidates, in particular Santorum, but I could never find evidence of his involvement.

So now that There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty, we begin to see the extent to which Rove may have been an actor of hitherto unsuspected proportions behind the scenes. Although the claims may be suspect, they make perfect sense to me.

Karl is far more formidable...in the presidential Republican primary in 12', Karl stepped on Rick Perry and then Newt Gingrich every chance he got — albeit with deceit and sophistication — and elevated Mitt Romney at strategic, crucial points along their way to the Republican nomination — Rove's candidate.


As an example of how sophisticated Rove is…Karl Rove was out raising money to keep Santorum alive until they could kill Newt — Santorum basically ran for Governor of Iowa in 2011, visiting all 99 counties; Santorum, out of Iowa, had no organization, no money and no chance in 2012 to be the Republican nominee; he was only a stalking horse for Mitt Romney — Rove kept Santorum alive until he could kill Rick Perry first, and then Newt Gingrich.
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Wait Rick Perry needed someone to discredit him and drive him off? I thought he did it fine all on his own.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Wait Rick Perry needed someone to discredit him and drive him off? I thought he did it fine all on his own.
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What's discreditable for you isn't necessarily the same as what's discreditable for the Republican Primary electorate.

For instance, claiming to intend to eliminate so many government departments and agencies that you can't even keep track of them all is a positive among that crowd.
 
Rove is just a game that everybody plays
And when the game is over not everybody pays
Some play the game and lose, some play the game and win
The winners walk out laughing, the losers cry, deal again

Lately the GOP has played the game
Now there's no feeling left except for the pain
Finally comes the time to fall apart
Now they've found his super PAC is worth as much as a fart

Oh Karl's been holding on to holding on
But even Fox defied his claims while Karl was breaking down
The Dems're not making love, they're keeping score
It's a simple matter, it don't matter anymore

'Cause Rove is just a game that everybody plays
Now that this round is over somebody's gonna pay
Some play the game and lose, some play the game and win
The winners walk out laughing, the losers cry, deal again

Deal again
Deal again
Deal again
Deal again

A tip o' the hat to Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers
 
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Olowkow said:
Very true, in fact Gingrich and Santorum dealt some of the most powerful and earliest blows long before Obama ever laid a glove on Romney.

Early on during the primaries, I felt that the hand of Karl Rove was likely in a lot what was going on with regard to other candidates, in particular Santorum, but I could never find evidence of his involvement.

So now that There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty, we begin to see the extent to which Rove may have been an actor of hitherto unsuspected proportions behind the scenes. Although the claims may be suspect, they make perfect sense to me.


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Ouch. That article is brutal. It seems the long-predicted internecine war within the GOP is finally coming to pass. The social/religious conservative base could very well start to rise up against the big-money Republican establishment, and who the hell knows where the libertarian-Republicans are going to end up in all of this...

This is going to be interesting :popcorn1
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Ouch. That article is brutal. It seems the long-predicted internecine war within the GOP is finally coming to pass. The social/religious conservative base could very well start to rise up against the big-money Republican establishment, and who the hell knows where the libertarian-Republicans are going to end up in all of this...

This is going to be interesting :popcorn1
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It will pretty much ensure we fall off the cliff, though. A GOP in chaos is likely to stand by it's default positions.
 
Loss Leader said:
Rove pretty much proved that you can't buy the presidency. You can buy name recognition and maybe that will pull you through the primary process, but all of these secret unaccountable millions of dollars are not going to get you votes. I think this is great news.
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Amen.
 
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