And the boats keep coming

Dcdrac said:
I see stupid shoot yourself in the long term foot stupiidty, if current trends continue populations will get more elederly inthe developed countries and birth rates will continue to fall, in other words the population issue will become one of not enough people in the work force to maintian the economies and you will seee the developed countries vying with each other to encourage people to come.

But that reality does not paly well to baying crowds wanting things easy.
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I am not quite sure what point you are actually making, but its probably best that if you are going to call someone stupid that you get your spelling right and make your point coherent. ;)

Cheers.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
Point?
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I thought that the reactions of people this legislation will directly affect might be relevant and didn't require further comment on my part, especially with its similarity to events last time we put asylum seekers on Nauru. I wasn't aware that sharing something here required me to opinionate about it.

But if I had to, I'd re-iterate that Nauru is only part of the proposal and if the other parts of the legislation aren't passed they'd be pretty sensible in not wanting to be sent there, but I continue to hope that progress is made, the offshore centers return to and remain at acceptable standards of quality, and those who are sent there are dealt with quickly and fairly.
 
As difficult as it is, I'd have thought this sort of comment put it into perspective:

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, acknowledged the recommendations were harsh but said there must be no reward for getting on a boat. ''I tell you what's harder, watching people drown,'' she said.
 
lionking said:
So are you supporting increased immigration levels in Australia? It's a bit hard to tell.

Oh, and get a spellchecker. They're free.
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A.A. Alfie said:
I am not quite sure what point you are actually making, but its probably best that if you are going to call someone stupid that you get your spelling right and make your point coherent. ;)

Cheers.
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Hey look, you agree on something!:D
 
Gillard and co are taking another step closer to the Pacific Solution with this bit of news.

The Australian Government is planning to introduce legislation that would excise the entire mainland from Australia's migration zone as part of efforts to stop asylum seeker boats.
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The abject failure of Gillard's policy has seen thousands and thousands of people since new legislation was passed (which didn't go far enough) in August is being further strengthened.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/in...o-remove-mainland-from-migration-zone/1038428

Policy backflip
It is similar to a plan put forward by the former Howard government in 2006, which Labor bitterly opposed at the time.

The Opposition has accused Labor of plumbing new depths of hypocrisy.
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And they would be right.

This is a huge policy backflip. Perhaps the government should just admit they got this one totally wrong. Too bad that 1000 people died because of the disastrous dismantling of the Pacific Solution.

Did anyone else notice too that some were sent back recently for a range of different things? Some were criminals, some were financial refugees etc. At least they are getting something right, I guess.
 
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uvar said:
So who else is watching Go Back to etc on SBS? Anybody not interested in it at all?
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I managed Angry Anderson for fifteen years, who appears on the show. Ray Martin hired Angry to do small segments on ACA as a "little Aussie Battler". This was expanded to four annual specials called "The Challenge" and in 2006one special rated No2# for most watched show of the year.

Then the politicians surrounded like buzzards. Charlie Lynn ( Liberal) started telling Angry he was "prime minister" material and got Angry to warm up his Liberal launches. Angry became "right wing" and "nationalistic" and compared himself to Peter Garrett.

Meanwhile, Angry decided he was now bigger than Ray Martin and told all Ray Martin's staff, while sitting in Ray Martin's chair in Ray Martin's office. Even more fun was Angry slagging off homosexuals when most of his production team was gay and Angry didn't notice. ACA's Exec Producer telephoned me and said "Your idiot client is taking an extended lifetime leave from ACA". Charlie Lynn dropped Angry as he no longer had media exposure.


Ten years later, I was no longer managing Angry and the National party approached Angry and offered him preselection if he supported the National Party. Angry accepted and went straight into his "right wing" mode. (It would have been a good idea to lodge his tax returns before accepting the offer and no one in the Nationals "vetted" Angry's past). This fell apart quickly.

Thus Angry is now doing anything to get back on TV and thus he is on SBS's show.
 
Hallo Alfie said:
I am not quite sure what point you are actually making, but its probably best that if you are going to call someone stupid that you get your spelling right and make your point coherent. ;)
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And what point have you made so far?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
I managed Angry Anderson for fifteen years, who appears on the show. Ray Martin hired Angry to do small segments on ACA as a "little Aussie Battler". This was expanded to four annual specials called "The Challenge" and in 2006one special rated No2# for most watched show of the year.

Then the politicians surrounded like buzzards. Charlie Lynn ( Liberal) started telling Angry he was "prime minister" material and got Angry to warm up his Liberal launches. Angry became "right wing" and "nationalistic" and compared himself to Peter Garrett.

Meanwhile, Angry decided he was now bigger than Ray Martin and told all Ray Martin's staff, while sitting in Ray Martin's chair in Ray Martin's office. Even more fun was Angry slagging off homosexuals when most of his production team was gay and Angry didn't notice. ACA's Exec Producer telephoned me and said "Your idiot client is taking an extended lifetime leave from ACA". Charlie Lynn dropped Angry as he no longer had media exposure.


Ten years later, I was no longer managing Angry and the National party approached Angry and offered him preselection if he supported the National Party. Angry accepted and went straight into his "right wing" mode. (It would have been a good idea to lodge his tax returns before accepting the offer and no one in the Nationals "vetted" Angry's past). This fell apart quickly.

Thus Angry is now doing anything to get back on TV and thus he is on SBS's show.
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Very interesting background Matthew.

I've no doubt this post will be reported, even though it is relevant in my opinion. "Go Back Where You Came From" is a show which challenged "boat people" opinion, and was a welcome change from the dog whistle politics of the Opposition when it comes to people arriving here by boat.
 
dc1971 said:
And what point have you made so far?
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IIRC his point is that boat people are queue-jumpers who wrongfully take the place of "more deserving" people and so they deserve to be punished for their actions.

Mind you this only applies to boats for him, since people who arrive by plane and do basically the exact same thing are a-ok.
 
Wildy said:
IIRC his point is that boat people are queue-jumpers who wrongfully take the place of "more deserving" equally or just as deserving people and so they deserve to be punished for their actions deterrents are required.

Mind you this only applies to boats for him, since people who arrive by plane and do basically the exact same thing are a-ok tend not to drown at sea.
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Basically correct except for changes made for accuracy.
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Hallo Alfie said:
This is relevant how?
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Another member asked if anyone watched "Go back to where you came from"

I simply offered some political background as to why Angry Anderson was on the show. Charlie Lynn is still in parliament and has an anti boat policy. He tried to "woo" Angry to the Liberals. Then the Nationals had a go....and now Angry appears on a pro boat ABC television show.

I'm trying to show that there is no "thought-out" homogenous political manouvering but rather a haphazard train of events. Angry had 2.8million Australians watching him on TV giving political and social comments which is somewhat remarkable considering no one ever vetted what he was going to say.

As someone who doesn't like Peter Garrett, I though even you might find this interesting due to the simularities. "Never let popstars and actors near politics".
 
Hallo Alfie said:
Basically correct except for changes made for accuracy.
(italics and deletions are mine)
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Care to show how I was inaccurate with links, quotes, etc?

Hallo Alfie said:
Did anyone notice Gillard's policy backflip? What, No one? Really?
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That would depend on which backflip you're talking about. If you're referring to the migration zone change, I'd be interested to know what your opinion about that change is.
 
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