The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Craig B]

TTTWND

Thanks very much for that! Anyway, fictional elaboration of authentic people and events was perfectly normal in the ancient world, as it is now.

 

[Evolved Wookie]

A half-grown cat among them?

Spoil-sport.

 

[Astreja]

Wait. You have 4 1/2 cats? That seems...cruel.

As cats don't tend to be fractional I had to round up. I've got 5 currently, down from 7 until very recently. I was there when Greyscale died (possible heart failure; may have had FeLV and thyroid), but I'm still in denial about Ludwig, an ancient and cranky Angora knockoff who just went walkabout and never bothered to come home. I'm hoping that he just trundled into some sort of Senior Citizens' Home for Cats and is meowing at the kittens to get off his lawn.

How odd that I would care more about a deaf, wilfully incontinent and high-decibel feline than Aristeo cares about 2/3 of the Earth's population...

 

[Akhenaten]

How odd that I would care more about a deaf, wilfully incontinent and high-decibel feline than Aristeo cares about 2/3 of the Earth's population...

Less odd than you think, Goddess. I still leave the door ajar and make sure his water dish is full, just in case Simba wanders back for a visit one day.

A year can pass so quickly sometimes, it's scary.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

here is a picture of people on passover in April in Israel. Note, they are not only wearing light clothing, with their sleeves rolled up and they are eating outside. It has been pointed out to you before, numerous times, that it's not cold in Israel in April. You choose to ignore this and keep repeating the same nonsense over and over in order to "prove" the lies of Ka Apaz/Ama.

[qimg]http://www.imagesofmythoughts.com/News/20120405-Jonathan-Pollard/i-njqLZV6/0/M/201204058182JonathanPollard-M.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://igoogledisrael.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/jerusalemclimate.gif[/qimg]

What is your proof that the picture you posted was taken during “passover in April in Israel”? Remember what the only true God said in His Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:16): “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”

He said that what you have done to your neighbor, you have done to God.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

TTTWND

What does TTTWND mean?

How can you differentiate fictional from non-fictional stories in the ancient world?

Why is it that the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 match what the Holy Bible say if you think that the stories in it are fiction?

 

[Stomatopoda]

What is your proof that the picture you posted was taken during “passover in April in Israel”? Remember what the only true God said in His Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:16): “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”

He said that what you have done to your neighbor, you have done to God.

I think my irony meter just jumped out the window. You owe me a new one.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Why is it that the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 match what the Holy Bible say if you think that the stories in it are fiction?

Why is it that you think the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 matches what the Bible says when you had to use a fictional lunar calendar to make it fit?

 

[Meadmaker]

Why is it that you think the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 matches what the Bible says when you had to use a fictional lunar calendar to make it fit?

Not to mention change what the Holy Bible actually says. It says Pentecost. In order to make August 17 make sense, it would have to say Tabernacles.

That is the part that, to me, is just bizarre. On the one hand, he reveres the Holy Bible. On the other hand, when it doesn't fit his theory, he discards it. It's weird.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

What is your proof that the picture you posted was taken during “passover in April in Israel”? Remember what the only true God said in His Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:16): “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”

He said that what you have done to your neighbor, you have done to God.

This is a new departure - challenging the veracity of evidence.

Well PC, you could do what I just did; right-click on the picture and look up its properties. That gives the following link:

http://www.imagesofmythoughts.com/News/20120405-Jonathan-Pollard

Does that help?

 

[Craig B]

@PC

You ask

Was the setting of “fictional stories against a factual background ... a common literary device” used during the time of Jesus? Is it found in Josephus writing or in any literature which are contemporary of Jesus?

and we answered you with reference to a whole list of ancient fictional works. Then you ask

How can you differentiate fictional from non-fictional stories in the ancient world?

But that is an insane question. You do it the same way you differentiate them in the modern world. That's how we know the nonsense you tell us is fiction. Or are you unable to tell truth from fiction? Is that the problem?

 

[abaddon]

What is your proof that the picture you posted was taken during “passover in April in Israel”? Remember what the only true God said in His Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:16): “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”

He said that what you have done to your neighbor, you have done to God.

Exif data concurs as to the date. Image data concurs as to the location. What you got? Nothing. Yet here you are trying your best to bear false witness. Apologies are in order.

 

[abaddon]

What does TTTWND mean?

The Thread That Will Not Die.

How can you differentiate fictional from non-fictional stories in the ancient world?

How can you tell Harry Potter is fictional?

Why is it that the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 match what the Holy Bible say if you think that the stories in it are fiction?

Nope. Ka Apaz made a meaningless claim an you bashed the bible until it fit the claim.

I think my irony meter just jumped out the window. You owe me a new one.

Keep track. Those things are not cheap.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Not to mention change what the Holy Bible actually says. It says Pentecost. In order to make August 17 make sense, it would have to say Tabernacles.

That is the part that, to me, is just bizarre. On the one hand, he reveres the Holy Bible. On the other hand, when it doesn't fit his theory, he discards it. It's weird.

Yes, I believe in the Holy Bible. It came from the only true God.

What is bizarre? You have not answered me regarding the two Passovers yet. Why did Emperor Constantine not say every year? Or always? Why did he used “frequently”? Why is there an additional day when celebrating other holidays like New Year’s Day (Rosh Hashanah), Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) and Feast of Harvest (Shavuoth)?

Who made the change that Jesus was crucified during Passover? When did they make the change? What did they do at the Council of Nicea in AD 325?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

The Thread That Will Not Die.
How can you tell Harry Potter is fictional?

Nope. Ka Apaz made a meaningless claim an you bashed the bible until it fit the claim.

Keep track. Those things are not cheap.

Thank you, abaddon, for informing me what TTTWND means.

Are all literary works in the ancient world fictional? If not, which are not?

You claim that the Holy Bible is “meaningless”. I think all of my claims in the August 17 revelation of Ama fit what the Holy Bible says except Pentecost in Acts 2:1 which I believe should be the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[abaddon]

Yes, I believe in the Holy Bible. It came from the only true God.

What is bizarre? <snip calendrical rubbish>

What is bizarre? You have claimed the bible is flat out wrong, yet use it as an authority.

 

[Agatha]

How can you differentiate fictional from non-fictional stories in the ancient world?

How do you do it in the modern world? It's just the same, though you need to look a little deeper.

You do it by comparing the story to what is known from other sources about the event and the time frame, and by looking at the things claimed. For example, if the story contains things which contravene everything we know about the natural world, such as dragons or talking animals, it's a fairly safe bet that the story is fiction.

Why is it that the spirit of Ama’s revelation of August 17 match what the Holy Bible say if you think that the stories in it are fiction?

Ama's revelation of August 17 does NOT match the Bible. It is in direct contravention of all the commands in Leviticus relating to Passover (which states that Passover must be kept in Spring) and it is in direct contravention to the story of the fig tree (the whole point of that particular story is that the fig tree was not bearing figs at that time, as it was Spring).

It is warm enough in Spring in Israel to wear nothing but a linen cloth, as you've been told numerous times, and you've been shown a photograph and several temperature charts in support of this.

There is nothing other than Ka Apaz/Ama's pronouncement to support a summer date for the crucifixion (even supposing arguendo that the crucifixion occurred at all). Your contention that the Jews used two calendars has no evidence whatsoever to support it.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

What is bizarre? You have claimed the bible is flat out wrong, yet use it as an authority.

Did I say that the Holy Bible is “flat out wrong”? You are the one who is saying it.

What did I say in message #656? “For the record, I say that it [the Holy Bible] is not completely wrong. There is the speaking in tongues in Acts 2:1 that it happened at Pentecost. No. It happened at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) on September 30, 1 BC or Tishri 15, 3761.

“The spirit of Ama recommended that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth.

“I did not get the date from thin air. Ama revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. I just checked if there is any ring of truth in it sixteen years after. Four years later of study, in 2003, I say that the date is true and correct.”

 

[Meadmaker]

Yes, I believe in the Holy Bible. It came from the only true God.

What is bizarre?

That you believe in the Bible, except when you don't.

You have not answered me regarding the two Passovers yet.

Yes, I have.

Why did Emperor Constantine not say every year? Or always? Why did he used “frequently”?

Because he didn't really know much about Judaism, and he knew sometimes they did and sometimes they didn't, and describing exactly what they did was of no real consequence to his main point, which was that whatever they did, they ought to be ignored anyway.

Why is there an additional day when celebrating other holidays like New Year’s Day (Rosh Hashanah), Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) and Feast of Harvest (Shavuoth)?

For exactly the same reason that there's an extra day when celebrating Passover.

There are certain questions that really intrigue me, not because I think they are truly insightful, but because they obviously come from some spot that I just can't understand. All the biblically mandated holidays, including Passover, are celebrated with an extra day. The fact that Rosh Hashanah and Sukkoth and Shavuot are all celebrated with an extra day lends support to the fact that Passover is celebrated with an extra day. What's hard about this?

Are you hung up on the difference between celebrating "twice" versus celebrating with "an extra day"? It's the same thing, although the exact observance of exactly what is done might vary from one holiday to the next. In the case of Passover, the central ritual of the holiday is that family and/or friends gather, eat dinner, and tell the story of the exodus. If you don't live in Israel, and you are following the Talmudic decrees, you do that twice, on two successive days.

I'm trying to figure out what it is that's in your head that makes you think that this question in any way supports your interpretation that Passover was on a lunar calendar, as opposed to my interpretation which is that Jews, then and now, frequently celebrate Passover twice.

Who made the change that Jesus was crucified during Passover? When did they make the change?

You and Ama seem to be the only ones who believe that any change was made.

When did you stop beating your wife?

What did they do at the Council of Nicea in AD 325?

Settled on the liturgy and the canon, mostly. They included the Book of the Acts of the Apostles in the canon. It says the miracle of the Holy Spirit occured at Pentecost.

Oh, wait. No, it said Tabernacles, but they decreed that all of the copies should be rewritten to say Pentecost, except one manuscript was saved and hidden in Vatican vaults.

 

[abaddon]

Did I say that the Holy Bible is “flat out wrong”? You are the one who is saying it.

Yep, your claim, your burden of proof. Please state how you identify which parts of the bible are right, and which are wrong.

What did I say in message #656? “For the record, I say that it [the Holy Bible] is not completely wrong.

So according to you, some of it is wrong. Please state how you determine which parts are wrong.

There is the speaking in tongues in Acts 2:1 that it happened at Pentecost. No. It happened at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) on September 30, 1 BC or Tishri 15, 3761.

Any evidence for such an event? At any date?

“The spirit of Ama recommended that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth.

Nope. Some crazy chick made some claims.

“I did not get the date from thin air. Ama revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983.

Another claim from thin air to support the first claim from thin air.

I just checked if there is any ring of truth in it sixteen years after. Four years later of study, in 2003, I say that the date is true and correct.”

You claim it is true, but have no evidence. And you omit the fact that you cannot show any such person existed. And you cannot show that any such person was the son of a god you cannot show existed. Or that this unprovable person did anything you Claim he did.