The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Astreja]

That ^^^ is so ghastly that it's hilarious.

It also doesn't look like someone who received 5000-something lashes. Also note the natty duds the chap is wearing: One part Rococo Santa, one part Bronte Sisters frock, one part sofa.

Now, where did I put that copy of The GIMP? Needs a Crocoduck and a couple of bemused Hindu deities doing multiple blue facepalms.

 

[Agatha]

Hey! That Jesus dude has stolen my curtains to make his frock.

 

[Akhenaten]

What do you make of this one?

Judy Garland Jesus?

 

[Akhenaten]

Shirley Temple Jesus​

 

[pakeha]

You find some pretty extravagant examples of that sort of thing in Spain.
The Cristo de Medinacelli is one.
https://www.google.es/search?q=Cris...5F8SKhQexp4HoDg&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=471

And yes, that's real human hair.

Then there's the Niño de Praga.
https://www.google.es/search?q=niño...W6hAeR2IGQAQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=471

And the Cristo del Gran Poder
https://www.google.es/search?q=niño...0f7dc41a89ac12&bpcl=35466521&biw=1024&bih=471

During Holy Week they are carried in processions and those processions are amazing spectacles.

 

[Elizabeth I]

The spirit of Ama who we (plural)...

STOP IT! Stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop itstop it stop it stopitstopitstopitstopitstopitstopitstopitvstopit. Stop it.

 

[Foster Zygote]

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Shirley Temple Jesus​

Funny, he doesn't look Jewish.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

I googled “Panambitan” or Pleading and found this:
http://alt.religion.christian.narki...stmas-to-all-on-jesus-correct-birthday-may-23

Could you post up the “Panambitan” or Pleading, please?
I'd like to read it, PC.
Thanks!

@pakeha, #572

“Panambitan” (Pleading) in http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm is about three pages long, single space. It will take me time to fully translate it for you. Meantime, I will just translate to English the tenth paragraph on page 2 where I got the year when Jesus was crucified.

You may hear the audio file at http://aristean.org/m01b-ser5.mp3 and its transcription at http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm .

“From the time of My death, 1,974 years passed by quickly. 1,974 years of My suffering. New suffering. Because instead of mankind to look for Me and to come, they even greatly forget Me and did not obey Me.”

I copied this tape recording of a session in 1974 from an old listener.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Notable findings (Part 2 of 3)

Here is the first part of a list of notable findings in the study:

1. Jesus Christ was crucified on a Thursday and not on a Friday.
2. Jesus could not have been crucified and died on any day except on a Thursday.
3. Jesus was crucified in August and not in March or April.
4. Jesus was crucified in 1 BC and not in 33 AD or thereabout.
5. August 17, 1 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar was a Thursday.
6. August 17, 1 BC is equivalent to Av 30, 3760 AM in the Jewish calendar.
7. Jesus was crucified in the Jewish month of Av and not of Nisan.
8. Jesus was crucified on the eve of the New Moon Festival and not on the eve of a Saturday Sabbath.
9. The high day mentioned in John 19:31 was the New Moon Festival.
10. The New Moon Festival was celebrated as a Sabbath – no work or business on this day.
11. The New Moon Festival was a major Jewish holy day, a high day, before but now considered a minor one. This was before Rome destroyed Jerusalem and dispersed the Israelites in the Roman Empire where the solar Julian calendar was in use.
12. High day means a major Jewish holy day wherein a Sabbath of rest is also observed. One abstains from work or business like the Saturday Sabbath.
13. When Jesus was crucified, He was 32 solar years old or 33 lunar years. This was found out after checking out the other revealed date – May 23, the date of His birth – which is also true and correct.
14. The Israelites were using two calendars during the time of Jesus – a purely lunar calendar (354-355 days per lunar year or 12 lunar months per lunar year) and a lunisolar calendar (from 353-355 days per year or 12 or 13 months per year).

 

[PeaceCrusader]

What do you make of this one?

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Judy Garland Jesus?

@Akhenaten, #583

That is the cover page of an older edition of “Pasiong Mahal”. I use the 2008 edition titled (translated to English): “Song and Narration of the Holy Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ”. The spirit who we talk to recommends this book as a supplement of the Holy Bible. The details of the life of Jesus, especially His crucifixion, are found in it.

How did Jesus Christ look like? An eight-year-old Idaho prodigy drew the “Prince of Peace”. The spirit confirms that that is how the man they crucified look like.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

The neat little spin that PC has added is the way in which he discards details that don't fit. Of course, every strange, unorthodox historical theory cherry picks items that fit as "proof" of their bizarre ideas, and they ignore or dismiss what doesn't fit.

The unusual spin that PC has added is that he will even reject portions of the Bible if they don't fit.

@Meadmaker, #579

Actually, the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) is a result of my study checking whether there is any ring of truth in the August 17 crucifixion date revealed by a spirit who we talk to. As a result, Pentecost should be replaced by this Feast of Tabernacles in Acts 2:1. I think the Holy Bible gives more credence to the latter than the former when Peter said in Acts 2:14-15: “But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.” In which festival do men get drunk and get merry? Isn’t it at the Feast of Tabernacles?

 

[Craig B]

@Meadmaker, #579

Actually, the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) is a result of my study checking whether there is any ring of truth in the August 17 crucifixion date revealed by a spirit who we talk to. As a result, Pentecost should be replaced by this Feast of Tabernacles in Acts 2:1. I think the Holy Bible gives more credence to the latter than the former when Peter said in Acts 2:14-15: “But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.” In which festival do men get drunk and get merry? Isn’t it at the Feast of Tabernacles?

That's plain silly. Peter was trying to reassure the crowd that his followers were not drunk, even though they were talking gibberish. Your spirit talks gibberish too, of course.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

@Akhenaten, #583

That is the cover page of an older edition of “Pasiong Mahal”. I use the 2008 edition titled (translated to English): “Song and Narration of the Holy Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ”. The spirit who we talk to recommends this book as a supplement of the Holy Bible. The details of the life of Jesus, especially His crucifixion, are found in it.

How did Jesus Christ look like? An eight-year-old Idaho prodigy drew the “Prince of Peace”. The spirit confirms that that is how the man they crucified look like.

oh lol, still sticking with the holy wrongness?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... I will just translate to English the tenth paragraph on page 2 where I got the year when Jesus was crucified.

“From the time of My death, 1,974 years passed by quickly. 1,974 years of My suffering. New suffering. Because instead of mankind to look for Me and to come, they even greatly forget Me and did not obey Me.”

I copied this tape recording of a session in 1974 from an old listener.

Oh my. Really? That's all it was? This is like the reveal in 'Zardoz'.

The old fraud was careless and she didn't think about the fact that if it was 1974 that didn't mean Jesus had been dead for 1974 years. One careless slip of the tongue by a fraudster, and you spent how many years to trying to convince first yourself and then anyone else that it was true?

There's a thin line between comedy and tragedy, and I think the thread just took a giant leap over it.

 

[Recovering Agnostic]

Notable findings (Part 2 of 3)

Here is the first part of a list of notable findings in the study:

1. Jesus Christ was crucified on a Thursday and not on a Friday.

And you know this because...?

2. Jesus could not have been crucified and died on any day except on a Thursday.

Because...?

3. Jesus was crucified in August and not in March or April.

Again...

You can fill in the same question for the rest. Do you have anything at all beyond bare assertion?

 

[Pixel42]

One careless slip of the tongue by a fraudster, and you spent how many years to trying to convince first yourself and then anyone else that it was true?

I think it's an indication of the degree of contempt in which Ka Apaz holds her followers that she didn't even think to subtract about 30 years from the current year. She knows it doesn't matter how obviously wrong what she's saying is, mugs like Aristeo will still manage to twist reality until it seems to fit.

She may even have been entertaining herself all these years by watching the mental acrobatics Aristeo goes through to convince himself that the nonsense she spouts has some basis in fact.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

@pakeha, #572

“Panambitan” (Pleading) in http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm is about three pages long, single space. It will take me time to fully translate it for you. Meantime, I will just translate to English the tenth paragraph on page 2 where I got the year when Jesus was crucified.

You may hear the audio file at http://aristean.org/m01b-ser5.mp3 and its transcription at http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm .

“From the time of My death, 1,974 years passed by quickly. 1,974 years of My suffering. New suffering. Because instead of mankind to look for Me and to come, they even greatly forget Me and did not obey Me.”

I copied this tape recording of a session in 1974 from an old listener.

#588

Correction: The audio file should be http://aristean.org/m01b-ser3.mp3 . It is ser3 and not ser5.

Why did I pick this 1,974 years up? From 1983 to 1994, I was doubtful that the spirit we talk to is Jesus Christ. Then in 1994, I accepted Him as the spirit of Jesus Christ because I say how could these things happened in my life if it were not God who made them happened. What are those happenings?
1. An article on the Aristean perpetual calendar was published. I noticed six weeks after its publication the first letters of the three paragraphs were made bold which spelled A-M-A, the name of the spirit who we talk to (http://aristean.org/19940426.htm ).
2. The Aristean calendar was inspired to me in 1992. I discovered in 1993 that the name of my mother Gregoria is related to the calendar we are presently using – the Gregorian calendar. I discovered in 1994 that the name of my grandmother, i.e. the mother of my mother, Julita is related to the calendar we are presently using. The predecessor of the Gregorian calendar is the Julian calendar. Grandmother, mother, and me are even in the proper order. I was not even born to name them as such.
3. I discovered in May 1994 that the number of Jesus is 888 from the book “A Scientific Approach to Biblical History” being read by Anthony Castelo who I have not seen for more than 35 years. The number 888 is the special registration plate number of the Holden Apollo car which we registered earlier.
4. In July 1994, I discovered that our post office box 888 is right in the middle of a cross (http://aristean.org/poboxmidset.jpg and http://aristean.org/diagram1set.jpg ) .
5. In December 1994, I discovered that there were three sets of boxes with box 888 in the middle set (http://aristean.org/poboxpic3sets.jpg and http://aristean.org/diagram3sets.jpg ).
6. When we arrived in Australia, it was on August 21, 1988, August being the eighth month of 1988.

In 1999 when I embarked on my study, I was testing again the spirit of His revelations. Did you know that had I proved that the August 17 crucifixion and death, and May 23 birth, of Jesus Christ were wrong, I would have renounced my belief in Him?

 

[Pixel42]

Then in 1994, I accepted Him as the spirit of Jesus Christ because I say how could these things happened in my life if it were not God who made it happen. What are those happenings?

No matter what names or numbers you decided were significant, you could have found something somewhere that contained those names/numbers. There is absolutely nothing in the least surprising about any of the coincidences you list.

Did you know that had I proved that the August 17 crucifixion and death, and May 23 birth, of Jesus Christ were wrong, I would have renounced my belief in Him?

All available evidence suggests that these dates are wrong, but there was no chance whatsoever of you ever coming to that conclusion. No matter what dates Ka Apaz had made up, you would have found some way of convincing yourself that they were the right ones. Others on this thread have shown Ka Apaz to have been wrong about almost everything she ever said, but you still won't renounce her despite your promise to do so should her prophecy about the Olympic Games not come true - a prophecy everyone but you knew correctly predicted would not be fulfilled.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Did you know that had I proved that the August 17 crucifixion and death, and May 23 birth, of Jesus Christ were wrong, I would have renounced my belief in Him?

No, I didn't know that. Nor do I believe it, since it has a familiar ring.

Did you know that on July 12 this year you wrote: "If His prophecies of the nuclear world war does not occur on a Wednesday prior to the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympic Games in London and its cancellation as a result of this war, I will renounce my belief in Him and in Ka Apaz."

Since you did not do that, I do not believe your declaration above either. Is that not fair?

 

[Akhenaten]

“From the time of My death, 1,974 years passed by quickly. 1,974 years of My suffering. New suffering. Because instead of mankind to look for Me and to come, they even greatly forget Me and did not obey Me.”

That's it is it? You seriously propose this as evidence enough to overturn almost two thousand years of Christian theology?

And you say that Bible scholars and calendar experts were unwilling to assist you with this?

I'm flabbergasted, I tell you! How can thay be so blind?