The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Astreja]

You think that I am a thrall of Ka Apaz? Then say this also to all the peopel who go to see Ka Apaz.

There you go with the argumentum ad populum logical fallacy again, Aristeo. The number of believers doesn't make something more or less true.

If you see any of them, please pass along the following message from Me: "Springy G thinks you're all gullible fools for continuing to follow and believe Ka Apaz. Every last one of you, from the smallest child to the eldest great-grandparent. No exceptions."

Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

Precisely, Aristeo. We're people who aren't fooled at all by this nonsense.

You appear to be in the "fool some of the people all of the time" category, alas.

And I also think that if you were able to take a census and a survey of everyone who has ever attended one of Ka Apaz's mock goddings, you would find quite a few people who...

• just came to the meeting because a friend was going, but never actually believed in her;
• believed at first, but lost faith in her (and may even have become an atheist); or
• pretended to believe because their parents had dragged them along to the meeting, and they were afraid of getting a scolding or spanking when they got home.

 

[Pixel42]

If I did not experience it, I would have heeded your and many others’ advice not to believe Ka Apaz because she is just faking it. But I have experienced it.

I have experienced compelling acting performances too, and been completely taken in by them at the time. Once I left the theatre, though, reality prevailed.

According to your logic, people who attend a performance by David Copperfield and watch him saw himself in half and put himself back together again must forever believe him truly capable of that feat. Is that really what you believe?

 

[pakeha]

You think that I am a thrall of Ka Apaz? Then say this also to all the peopel who go to see Ka Apaz. You have to go to the Philippines and observe for yourself. ...

I'd love to, but travel to the Philippines isn't in my plans at the moment.
Are you saying the medium continues to give seances?
I thought she was in ill-health and had ceased that activity.
In any case, I've yet to find any record of this medium anywhere.
No articles, no television coverage, nothing.
Except in your posts and website.

As for the number of people she may be fooling, in Spain, in El Escorial, there was a similar medium who died only recently.
She had a huge following.
I've posted up about her.
A dreadful woman.

Rosalina Miraflor may have died in 1923 or 1924. If she was 18 years old when she died, she may have been born in 1905 or 1906.

Great.
I need a province, as the records I'm talking about are ecclesiastical ones, based on baptism records and so on.

@Pixel42, #548

If I did not experience it, I would have heeded your and many others’ advice not to believe Ka Apaz because she is just faking it. But I have experienced it. Ama and Ka Apaz are really two different entities. You may have to experience it to know whether she is faking it or not. I don’t think Ka Apaz is capable of saying what Ama said – especially the long discourses.

Just the whistling sound in the entry and exit of spirits, why is it that we hear it not at the mouth of Ka Apaz but near the forehead? You may listen to these in the hun (sound) file list in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm .

Pick out what will be good for your soul and discard what is evil. Be discerning.

PC, those sounds were produced from under a sheet and reported by people who believe that casting a nail into a river caused a flood to subside, am I correct?
Mediums are superb natural actresses.
ETA
And those who are men, actors, of course.

 

[fromdownunder]

I have experienced compelling acting performances too, and been completely taken in by them at the time. Once I left the theatre, though, reality prevailed.

I have seen this person turn into several entirely different people - most of them male.

Norm

 

[pakeha]

Ah, Dame Edna.
Simply fabulous.

On the subject of Pentecost I found this:


http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_Item_eng.asp?sec_id=17&sub_subj_id=394#MMMas

An interesting read.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You think that I am a thrall of Ka Apaz? Then say this also to all the peopel who go to see Ka Apaz.

Yes indeed. And to all people who visit all 'mediums' too. You're kidding yourselves.

Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

Yes indeed. Let's think about that.

You know there are some listeners who have been coming to the sessions since the 1970s. Some are already children of the listeners and they still come.

So. Some of the people, all of the time. Score one point to Mr Lincoln.

 

[svenax]

Just the whistling sound in the entry and exit of spirits, why is it that we hear it not at the mouth of Ka Apaz but near the forehead? You may listen to these in the hun (sound) file list in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm

Come on now, Aristeo. We listened to those files (at least I did) a long time ago, when the Olympics thread was active. And they sound so fake it is not even funny. Now, maybe the recordings don't give full justice to this phenomena, but still it just sounds to me like Ka Apaz is whistling. Maybe she does it when inhaling, that would cause the sound location to be a little more diffuse. Still the forehead is pretty close to the mouth. How have you determined the point of origin? Used a directional microphone a few inches from her head? Multiple microphones at strategic locations? Listened right up close? Yes?

 

[Meadmaker]

@Pixel42, #548

If I did not experience it, I would have heeded your and many others’ advice not to believe Ka Apaz because she is just faking it. But I have experienced it.

Such vanity.

Con artists are so incredibly good at playing on this vanity. The cons inform the marks that they, the marks, are far too smart to be fooled, even as the con artists are defaruding them.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Notable findings (Part 1 of 3)

The spirit of Ama who we (plural) talk to, revealed that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17. No year. I learned this date from old listeners when I first went to listen to Him in 1983. It was only in 1999 when we connected to the Internet that I checked whether there is an ring of truth in it or not. I asked Bible scholars and calendar experts. To my dismay, no one was able to help me. I was even mocked for even thinking that the crucifixion occurred on such date.

Not finding any help, I embarked on checking it out myself. After four years, in 2003, I published on the Internet the results of my study where I found that the date He revealed is true and correct. The year when Jesus died was 1 BC which I got from one of His sermons called “Panambitan” or Pleading. This reinforced my belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ. Details of the study can be found at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

 

[Akhenaten]

Footable Nindings (Parte the Firste)

The spirit of Ama who we (plural) talk to, revealed that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17.

You have yet to establish that such an event took place on any date.

No year. I learned this date from old listeners when I first went to listen to Him in 1983. It was only in 1999 when we connected to the Internet that I checked whether there is an ring of truth in it or not.

Well I used the internet to see if there was an ring of truth to your nonsensical stories and it said "No way, José".

My studies have revealed this to be logically true and correct. FYI take only what is good for you and discard what has weevils in it.

I asked Bible scholars and calendar experts. To my dismay, no one was able to help me.

You've finally posted something that I have no trouble believing.

I was even mocked for even thinking that the crucifixion occurred on such date.

I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

Not finding any help, I embarked on checking it out myself. After four years, in 2003, I published on the Internet the results of my study where I found that the date He revealed is true and correct.

Do you know what 'recursive' means, PC?

The year when Jesus died was 1 BC which I got from one of His sermons called “Panambitan” or Pleading.

Is that in the Passionfruit Mahjong?

This reinforced my belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

A mosquito buzzing around your ear at night would reinforce your belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ. Hitting your thumb with a hammer would reinforce your belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

I strongly doubt that there's anything under the Sun which would not reinforce your belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Details of the study can be found at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

There be dragons.

 

[Meadmaker]

There be dragons.

But no real details.

The "details" in his pages are lengthy ramblings of taking data and fitting it to his hypotheses. It's a whole lot of stating his premises in different ways.

 

[pakeha]

...The year when Jesus died was 1 BC which I got from one of His sermons called “Panambitan” or Pleading. This reinforced my belief that Ama is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ. Details of the study can be found at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

I googled “Panambitan” or Pleading and found this:
http://alt.religion.christian.narki...stmas-to-all-on-jesus-correct-birthday-may-23

Could you post up the “Panambitan” or Pleading, please?
I'd like to read it, PC.
Thanks!

 

[Akhenaten]

But no real details.

The "details" in his pages are lengthy ramblings of taking data and fitting it to his hypotheses. It's a whole lot of stating his premises in different ways.

Thank you, Meadmaker. You are correct in saying that the data fits the hypothesis in different ways.

FYI, the devil is in the details, so we must therefore discard what is evil and keep only what is good for us.

 

[Akhenaten]

@Akhenaten, #547

Yes, Akhenaten, the spirit of Ama revealed that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17. I found the year to be 1 BC.

I've checked the Pastifaria Mirryball and it reveals no details of any such crucifixion on any date of any year.

I found your spook to be as reliable as a two-bob watch and you should ignore it.

And it makes sense because the equivalent of this date in the Jewish calendar is Av 30, 3760, the last day in the month of Av. The following day was Elul 1, 3760 and a high day (John 19:31), a sabbath being the New Moon Festival or Rosh Hodesh.

FYI, it would make far more sense if it was the equivalent of Grol 37, 49236 in the Klingon calendar.

I'm sure if you redo your calculations you will see that this is logically true and correct.

I used the Perpetual Jewish/Civil Calendar Conversion by Alan Corre, and Universal Calendar Converter by Timothy Forsythe.

On what page(s) do those publications mention the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus?

 

[pakeha]

...
FYI, it would make far more sense if it was the equivalent of Grol 37, 49236 in the Klingon calenadar. ..

Oh, myy!
The Klingon calendar.
http://www.housevampyr.com/main.php...&body=training/culture/calendar/calendar.html

And the Klingon horoscope!
http://www.klingon-empire.org/forum/showthread.php?3623-A-TERRAN-Based-Klingon-Calendar

What sign was Jesus?

 

[Akhenaten]

Just my luck to make up something I thought would be totally ridiculous as a parody only to find that such a thing actually exists.

Anyway, I've always believed the alleged Jesus would probably have been born under the sign of the Pedestrian Crossing, which is why he was so good out on the water.

I'm not sure what the Klingon equivalent would be.

 

[Astreja]

To my dismay, no one was able to help me. I was even mocked for even thinking that the crucifixion occurred on such date.

I think that perhaps you just ignored their legitimate criticism because it didn't agree with what you wanted to prove.

Here's a big, big hint, Aristeo: If people disagree with you, there's usually a darned good reason for it.

It's perfectly okay to be wrong about something -- As long as you recognize it, and use that information to correct the mistake. There is no honour or advantage in being wrong while asserting against all evidence that you're right.

 

[Akhenaten]

Come on now, Aristeo. We listened to those files (at least I did) a long time ago, when the Olympics thread was active. And they sound so fake it is not even funny.

Yes, I listened too and agree entirely about the embarrassing fakeness of the sounds.

Hearing them was the first time that I started to suspect the whole thing was just one giant Poe and I've been unable to entirely shake that feeling ever since.

 

[Meadmaker]

Thank you, Meadmaker. You are correct in saying that the data fits the hypothesis in different ways.

FYI, the devil is in the details, so we must therefore discard what is evil and keep only what is good for us.

The neat little spin that PC has added is the way in which he discards details that don't fit. Of course, every strange, unorthodox historical theory cherry picks items that fit as "proof" of their bizarre ideas, and they ignore or dismiss what doesn't fit.

The unusual spin that PC has added is that he will even reject portions of the Bible if they don't fit.

 

[Akhenaten]

The unusual spin that PC has added is that he will even reject portions of the Bible if they don't fit.

Yes, it's quite extraordinary. Sometimes it looks like he's doing a parody of Christianity.

For that matter, when I look at these comic book versions of the gospels like the Passionfuit Mahjong and see the annual freak show of people crucifying themselves and their friends it's easy enough to believe that the whole of the non-Muslim population of the Philippines is performing a bizarre, ghastly parody of Christianity.