The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Meadmaker]

To appreciate how the Jews were using two kinds of calendars simultaneously during the crucifixion of Jesus, I would like to invite you to visit http://aristean.org/speaktongue.htm titled “Speaking in tongue happened during the Festival of Tabernacles, and not at Pentecost”. Please go to Table 2 titled “Dates in the Jewish civil and religious calendars from Av 1, 3760 AM to Tishri 30, 3761 AM and in the proleptic Gregorian calendar in the year 1 BC”.

Got it.

So you basically explain that the Holy Spirit revealed the date of August 17, and therefore it had to be Sukkoth instead of Pentecost. The assertion that it was Pentecost came later and was inserted into the Bible after fixing the date for Easter, but you ask that we look at the oldest available manuscripts to see what festival is really referred to in those manuscripts.

Hmmm.

Well, far be it from me to contradict the Holy Spirit. Although, it seems to me that a whole lot of people who also asked for guidance by the Holy Spirit ended up writing down "Pentecost".

It seems odd to me that, though, that you would accept as true, and draw many inferences, from every jot and tittlle of the Bible, as it appears in English translation, but on this one, rather substantial, point, you would assume that the compilers of the Bible made such a glaring error as the substitution of one holiday for another. Indeed, you almost seem to be suggesting that it was not actually an error at all, but a deliberate substitution.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Got it.

So you basically explain that the Holy Spirit revealed the date of August 17, and therefore it had to be Sukkoth instead of Pentecost. The assertion that it was Pentecost came later and was inserted into the Bible after fixing the date for Easter, but you ask that we look at the oldest available manuscripts to see what festival is really referred to in those manuscripts.

Hmmm.

Well, far be it from me to contradict the Holy Spirit. Although, it seems to me that a whole lot of people who also asked for guidance by the Holy Spirit ended up writing down "Pentecost".

It seems odd to me that, though, that you would accept as true, and draw many inferences, from every jot and tittlle of the Bible, as it appears in English translation, but on this one, rather substantial, point, you would assume that the compilers of the Bible made such a glaring error as the substitution of one holiday for another. Indeed, you almost seem to be suggesting that it was not actually an error at all, but a deliberate substitution.

@Meadmaker, #521

Thank you, Meadmaker, for visiting the web page. I hope others will follow what you did so that they will know how the Jews were using two kinds of calendars during the time of Jesus’ crucifixion.

I suspect that the switching from Sukkoth (Feast of Tabernacles) to Shavuoth (Pentecost) occurred during the fourth century AD when the Christians fixed Easter or the Christian Passover sometime in March or April. You are right. What happened was a deliberate substitution.

I would like to point out another error: compare John 20:1 and John 20:19. What did you notice?

According to Ama, the original manuscript is in Rome. Where in Rome? I do not know.

I still believe in the Holy Bible. It comes from the only true God. Ama recommends that we use the King James Version because it is nearer the truth.

 

[Foster Zygote]

According to Ama, the original manuscript is in Rome. Where in Rome? I do not know.

I still believe in the Holy Bible. It comes from the only true God. Ama recommends that we use the King James Version because it is nearer the truth.

But Ama (or rather Ka Apaz, who invented Ama) is either a big, fat liar or utterly delusional. How do we know this? Because you've told us of a number of predictions made by "Ama" that have proved to be utterly false. The Olympic games in London went off without a hitch, there has been no nuclear war, no death of 2/3 of the world's population, no Chinese invasion of the Philippines, no three-eyed babies and not cats giving birth to humans or humans giving birth to kittens. Your prophet is a fraud, yet you keep citing her as though we should accept her as an authority. You may obstinately refuse to accept that she is a false prophet (Is there any other kind?), but the rest of us see her as the liar/nut-case that she is.

 

[HansMustermann]

@Meadmaker, #521

Thank you, Meadmaker, for visiting the web page. I hope others will follow what you did so that they will know how the Jews were using two kinds of calendars during the time of Jesus’ crucifixion.

There is no evidence actually that they used anything else than the lunisolar calendar at that point.

I suspect that the switching from Sukkoth (Feast of Tabernacles) to Shavuoth (Pentecost) occurred during the fourth century AD when the Christians fixed Easter or the Christian Passover sometime in March or April. You are right. What happened was a deliberate substitution.

I don't think he said that and it's flat out wrong. In fact, stupidly wrong.

Never mind that there is no evidence that Passover was at any other time, but the Christians themselves were trying to nail Jesus on the 25 March, the date of the spring equinox back then and supposedly the date when God created the world, or 28 March (when the SUN was created), at least as early as early 3rd century. As examples of such calculations I submit the chronology of Africanus, published circa 221 AD, and De Pasha Computus (meaning: on the calculation of Easter!), published circa 243 AD. So claiming that that happened in the 4th century, is just telling me you have no clue on the history of that.

Incidentally, such calculations gave use side-effects like the date of Christmas. (For Jesus to be perfect for that celebration of Earth's creation, he had to be also conceived on the 25 March. Add 9 months and you get... 25 December.) Or the year of his nailing. Jesus had to be nailed not just on any Passover, but that Passover had to be on a 25 March. So they'd calculate which year that was.

It's also clear that there was no way for those calculations to give you an Easter in August, or January or December, in any year.

According to Ama, the original manuscript is in Rome. Where in Rome? I do not know.

I still believe in the Holy Bible. It comes from the only true God. Ama recommends that we use the King James Version because it is nearer the truth.

May the mods have mercy on my soul for being so blunt, but basically: who the <bleep> gives a <bleep> about Ama? If she has evidence for any of those claims, let's see the evidence. Otherwise, just another BS-er... that don't impress me much.

 

[Meadmaker]

Thank you, Meadmaker, for visiting the web page. I hope others will follow what you did so that they will know how the Jews were using two kinds of calendars during the time of Jesus’ crucifixion.

Interesting use of the word "know".

Having gone to your page, I certainly do not "know" that the Jews were using two calendars. I know that you believe it, but I do not know that what you believe is true. In fact, I'm quite convinced it isn't.

You have a very difficult task of persuasion in front of you when dealing with Christians who do not accept your calendar thesis. You have to convince them that God communicates to mankind via the Holy Bible, but that God has allowed men to deliberately corrupt his word so that it cannot be trusted.

It's a tough sell.

 

[Astreja]

But Ama (or rather Ka Apaz, who invented Ama) is either a big, fat liar or utterly delusional. How do we know this? Because you've told us of a number of predictions made by "Ama" that have proved to be utterly false... Your prophet is a fraud, yet you keep citing her as though we should accept her as an authority.

This has been bothering Me for quite some time, too.

Aristeo, if you can't denounce Ama as a false prophet after numerous failed prophesies, all thoroughly documented in the Olympics thread, under what conditions would you denounce Ama as false?

Because if you were not being forthright with us, and never had the slightest intention of renouncing your faith in Ka Apaz's imaginary friend, there is nothing more to discuss with you.

Please state in clear, unequivocal terms what it would take for you to stop having faith in Ama.

 

[pakeha]

...I suspect that the switching from Sukkoth (Feast of Tabernacles) to Shavuoth (Pentecost) occurred during the fourth century AD when the Christians fixed Easter or the Christian Passover sometime in March or April. You are right. What happened was a deliberate substitution.

I would like to point out another error: compare John 20:1 and John 20:19. What did you notice?

According to Ama, the original manuscript is in Rome. Where in Rome? I do not know.

I still believe in the Holy Bible. It comes from the only true God. Ama recommends that we use the King James Version because it is nearer the truth.

PC, please post up your evidence the Hebrews ever celebrated the Passover outside of Spring.
I've asked this several times and would be interested in seeing your evidence here.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, please post up your evidence the Hebrews ever celebrated the Passover outside of Spring.
I've asked this several times and would be interested in seeing your evidence here.

@pakeha, #527

What evidence can I present? I honestly say to you that the spirit of Ama just said that Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, a summer date, a date outside Spring. I heard this in 1983. From there, in my study from 1999 to 2003, I found that the Holy Bible confirms that August 17 is true and correct. The year? 1 BC. I will enumerate next time the notable findings that I found in my study.

This is what Ama said if I remember right: He will tell us the truth. If we do not want to believe Him, He will still try. If after trying and we still do not believe, then He and us will call it quits. “Paciencia”. We bear the consequence of our action.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

@pakeha, #527

What evidence can I present? I honestly say to you that the spirit of Ama just said that Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, a summer date, a date outside Spring. I heard this in 1983. From there, in my study from 1999 to 2003, I found that the Holy Bible confirms that August 17 is true and correct. The year? 1 BC. I will enumerate next time the notable findings that I found in my study.

This is what Ama said if I remember right: He will tell us the truth. If we do not want to believe Him, He will still try. If after trying and we still do not believe, then He and us will call it quits. “Paciencia”. We bear the consequence of our action.

I have highlited to help you understand where you're going wrong.

 

[Meadmaker]

I found that the Holy Bible confirms that August 17 is true and correct.

This is what I don't get.

In order to "confirm" your finding, you have to assert that the version we know has been deliberately altered.

I wonder what it is that God thought was so important about the date of the crucifixion anyway. Is it somehow more significant for having happened in August instead of Spring? It seems like the Holy Spirit is going around inspiring people by giving them the answers to trivia questions.

 

[AdMan]

We bear the consequence of our action.

What are the consequences of following and pushing the lies of a false prophet?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

This is what I don't get.

In order to "confirm" your finding, you have to assert that the version we know has been deliberately altered.

I wonder what it is that God thought was so important about the date of the crucifixion anyway. Is it somehow more significant for having happened in August instead of Spring? It seems like the Holy Spirit is going around inspiring people by giving them the answers to trivia questions.

@Meadmaker, #530

Based on my study from 1999 to 2003, I say that the Holy Bible confirms that the August 17 crucifixion date that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct. As a consequence, we can correct flaw in the Holy Bible, such as the deliberate substitution of Feast of Tabernacles with Pentecost (Acts 2:1). It will confirm that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. It will confirm that Ama is truly the spirit of Jesus.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

@Meadmaker, #530

Based on my study from 1999 to 2003, I say that the Holy Bible confirms that the August 17 crucifixion date that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct. As a consequence, we can correct flaw in the Holy Bible, such as the deliberate substitution of Feast of Tabernacles with Pentecost (Acts 2:1). It will confirm that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. It will confirm that Ama is truly the spirit of Jesus.

Once again, To help you, This is your mistake.

 

[AdMan]

Once again, To help you, This is your mistake.

Not to mention that in the same paragraph PC says: a) the Bible confirms what Ka Apaz/Ama claims; b) the Bible is wrong and has a mistake that needs to be corrected, because it contradicts what Ama claims; and c) the Bible is the true word of God.

Hilarious.

 

[Stomatopoda]

we can correct flaw in the Holy Bible

You are very, very fortunate that YHWH and Malebolge are fictitious.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

@Meadmaker, #530

Based on my study from 1999 to 2003, I say that the Holy Bible confirms that the August 17 crucifixion date that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct. As a consequence, we can correct flaw in the Holy Bible, such as the deliberate substitution of Feast of Tabernacles with Pentecost (Acts 2:1). It will confirm that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. It will confirm that Ama is truly the spirit of Jesus.

illogic: if the substitution is deliberate and the bible the word of a god, then that god is deceitful. the very definition of satan. so it will confirm that ama is truly a demon. you can't escape this

 

[Foster Zygote]

He will tell us the truth. If we do not want to believe Him, He will still try. If after trying and we still do not believe, then He and us will call it quits. “Paciencia”. We bear the consequence of our action.

But you've documented many things which "Ama" told you that are lies. So why do you want to believe this liar? When will you call it quits and stop trying to convince yourself of this fraud?

 

[Astreja]

Answer My question, Aristeo! What will have to happen in order for you to recognize Ama as a false prophet, and denounce Ama, and renounce your faith in Ama?

 

[pakeha]

@pakeha, #527

What evidence can I present? I honestly say to you that the spirit of Ama just said that Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, a summer date, a date outside Spring. I heard this in 1983. From there, in my study from 1999 to 2003, I found that the Holy Bible confirms that August 17 is true and correct. The year? 1 BC. I will enumerate next time the notable findings that I found in my study.

This is what Ama said if I remember right: He will tell us the truth. If we do not want to believe Him, He will still try. If after trying and we still do not believe, then He and us will call it quits. “Paciencia”. We bear the consequence of our action.

Paciencia?
The seances were conducted in Spanish?
You only proof the Passover has ever been held outside of Spring is something you remember having head a medium say?

PC, that is not rational in the least.
Even so, please give me the correct name of the person you want looked for in Spain- place of birth, wher they lived and I'll be happy to see what I can find.

...As a consequence, we can correct flaw in the Holy Bible, such as the deliberate substitution of Feast of Tabernacles with Pentecost (Acts 2:1). It will confirm that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. It will confirm that Ama is truly the spirit of Jesus.

You have nothing to show this is the case, PC, except your memories of what what as wsaid in a seance over thirty years ago.

Once you understood the medium was giving you false information, why did you bother to make calculations to make Passover fall in August?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I will enumerate next time the notable findings that I found in my study.

Super. Looking forward to it.

Based on my study from 1999 to 2003, I say that the Holy Bible confirms that the August 17 crucifixion date that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct.

Ah. May we assume that this constitutes a full enumeration of your notable findings? I suppose I was rather hoping for something more than a re-statement of your insubstantiated claim.