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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

PC

You are so impervious to the criticisms and denunciations heaped upon you, and so patient in repeating and regurgitating such superhumanly bizarre ideas, that I have come to think of you as a sort of chatbot programmed by a lunatic or humorist. If that is not so, I most sincerely apologise, but I really can't shake off this idea.

Hmm... I was convinced that he's not a troll, as the sheer amount of work involved for such a long time and for so little payoff wouldn't be worthwhile, but an automated system like a chatbot would eliminate most of the work...

This conclusion has been contemplated and found to be proven right and logically correct according to my studies (plural).
 
I am sorry if I got you confused by my saying “not ... during Passover” and “sometime during Passover”. What I meant was that Jesus was crucified not on Passover day and not during the festival, but near Passover.

No, that is not what you said at all. I am not the confused one in this equation.

One of your statements is a lie. Choose one, and only one.

Those biblical characters and where their spirits now reside were revealed by Ama. I am presenting them to you for your info. You may believe them or not.

You have no information of any value to any sane, rational, morally adept individual -- Except as a warning of the egregious harm that uncritical religiously-oriented thinking can do to the mind. You tell convoluted stories about people who never existed. You think that you know Jewish culture better than people who have actually lived it. You're obsessed with a silly calendar that's contaminated with Christian holidays, and want it to be adopted by a majority non-Christian world.

You had the unmitigated gall to think that you could acquire for yourself a harem of 10 widows after a nuclear war wiped out 2/3 of Earth's population, foolishly thinking that surviving females would outnumber surviving males by 10:1.

And I will never, ever forgive you for saying that the prospect of a future nuclear war was a "consolation." With those words, Aristeo, you became My sworn enemy and I shall not rest until you are gone from these forums or have experienced the total loss of your faith.

Ama Ka Apaz said that if you are good now, you better not be reincarnated because you may become evil. Why become evil? Because our environment is becoming more evil than becoming better. Have you noticed that?

Actually, no. I see the world getting better, consistently, as people become more educated and less superstitious.

And, on the 'evil' front, I think your beliefs set a whole new standard for such. What you believe is morally ghastly and intellectually debilitating in the extreme.

The next time that a person will be brought back to life is on Judgment Day.

There shall be no Judgment Day. Once you die, Aristeo, you will never awaken... Ever. There is no prayer in the universe strong enough to bring you back to life after you close your eyes for that final time.

And keep in mind, please, that all of My predictions have been true and all of yours have been false.
 
Those biblical characters and where their spirits now reside were revealed by Ama. I am presenting them to you for your info. You may believe them or not.

Aristeo, seriously, how can you think anyone following this thread is going to believe that garbage? You have presented made-up calendars, reborn characters, non-existent Egyptian princesses, fictitious giant corpse-stealing heiresses, failed WWIII prophecies, etc., etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum for months and years. Do you really think anyone is taking all this crap seriously?
 
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PC, logic and history don't need to be co-incident.
What IS insane, in my opinion, is to believe anyone would survive the scourging you've described.
The bridge-crossing scene you describe is so far from any reality I know I can't even react to it.
Why on Earth do you take this seriously, PC?


I'll need Miraflor's sirname to make any sort of search. Records from 23-24 aren't on-line as far as I know.
I'll also need the province where she might have lived as well.
I'm willing to do as much as I can, though judging from the various fictions related in these seances, especially concerning the fictitious Reneliniyendi, I have to wonder if Miraflor will be as real as Angelina Imden.


@pakeha, #438

I agree with you that it is unbelievable that someone could withstand 5,455 lashes, unless he is God. The Pharisees must have much hatred to subject Jesus to that kind of punishment. It took the entourage of Jesus three days and three nights to traverse the three-kilometer route to the crucifixion site. The last day was aided by Simon of Cyrene who carried the cross for Jesus.

Why am I taking this seriously? Because it is the truth that Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC. I have proven what Ama revealed. I did not get that date from thin air. It was revealed to older members who told me about it when I first went to the Session Hall in Metro Manila. Ama said that it is easier to accept falsehood than to accept the truth. Please scrutinize. Be discerning.

Did you know that before (maybe 2003), when the topic comes up, I just said that the date August 17, 1 BC was revealed by a spirit who we talk to? Now, I can boldly say that Jesus was really crucified on that date as Ama revealed it.

Matthew 24:41 states: “Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” This is similar to Luke 17:35. Ama revealed that the woman taken was the Blessed Virgin Mary. The other woman left must have a name also. Ama said that her name is Reneliniyindi, the name of the human being where the spirit from Heaven first resided on earth. Well, believe it or not. FYI.

Miraflor (maybe her surname; given name maybe Rosalina) is the name of the Spanish woman before her spirit was transferred to Ka Apaz in the Philippines, I guess in 1938, when she was conceived. Ka Apaz was born on 1939-05-05. Miraflor was 18 years old when she died in 1923 or 1924.
 
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Stop repeating superstitious nonsense, Aristeo, and answer My question. Which of the two statements is the lie?
 
@Astreja, #436

Passover Festival (Pesach) was from Av 14 to 21, 3760 (August 1 to 8, 1 BC). Jesus was crucified on Av 30, 3760 (August 17, 1 BC).

I am sorry if I got you confused by my saying “not ... during Passover” and “sometime during Passover”.


Springy G's pointing out of the obvious internal inconsistencies in your mad tale has nothing to do with anything but confusion on your own part. You have made two mutually exclusive assertions and that's all there is to it.


What I meant was that Jesus was crucified not on Passover day and not during the festival, but near Passover.

<nonsense>


Jesus was crucified sometime during Passover.

You're judged here on what you post, not on what you retrospectively claim to have intended to post.

To be blunt, on this occasion you are blatantly lying, rather than just making stuff up as you go. .


Those biblical characters and where their spirits now reside were revealed by Ama. I am presenting them to you for your info. You may believe them or not.


The biblical characters are most likely fictitious, there are no spirits, this 'Ama' is but a facet of your greater delusion and no sane person belives anything you've presented.


Ama said that if you are good now, you better not be reincarnated because you may become evil. Why become evil? Because our environment is becoming more evil than becoming better. Have you noticed that?


Nobody notices any of the stuff that you think you're aware of.

That should be telling you something, PC.


He said that this will be the last incarnation to (almost all) people because God will reduce now the number of people in this world.


This is evil and malicious poppycock, mitigated only by the fact that it's a delusion.




Ama said that if you are good now, you better not be reincarnated because you may become evil.

So we better change now and be good.


You'd better get your reverse bicycle out and start pedalling.
 
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You certainly seem able to accept a lot of falsehood, PC. Falsehoods like non-existent Egyptian princesses, falsehoods like Angelina Imden and her corpse collecting adventures, falsehoods like the fake geography of England, falsehoods like the 2012 summer Olympic Games not being held, falsehoods like your daft calendar being implemented in 2000, falsehoods like the ridiculously wrong size of the Chinese Army, falsehoods like Pontius Pilate being a golem, falsehoods like Passover being in summer at any point, falsehoods like Hannukah and Sukkoth being on the same day, falsehoods like the Romans worrying about symmetry when crucifying people... I could go on and on but the point is sufficiently made.

Much if not all of what you report as being from 'Ama'/Ka Apaz is obviously false. Your uncritical belief in it does not magically turn it from lies to truth, nor does repeating it here enhance its credibility; on the contrary, you repeating it here just means even more people see it for the utter nonsense it is.
 
...Ama said that if you are good now, you better not be reincarnated because you may become evil. Why become evil? Because our environment is becoming more evil than becoming better. Have you noticed that?

He said that this will be the last incarnation to (almost all) people because God will reduce now the number of people in this world. So we better change now and be good. Otherwise, there will not be another chance to change. The next time that a person will be brought back to life is on Judgment Day.

Hi, PC.
I can't help noticing that a lot of the seances you're reporting deal with re-incarnation.
Is this a typical belief system in the Philippines?

I know the medium you follow has been in the business for over fifty years and in reportedly failing health.
Does she have a successor?

As for the world being a worse place, I beg to differ radically on that.
Like Astreja, I see the loosening of the bonds of superstition as a good thing. I think that a wonderful example of how great the world is now is this very thread.
We can be in complete disagreement on a spiritual question and neither is in risk of being tortured or killed for what we think.



@pakeha, #438

I agree with you that it is unbelievable that someone could withstand 5,455 lashes, unless he is God. The Pharisees must have much hatred to subject Jesus to that kind of punishment. ... Ama said that her name is Reneliniyindi, the name of the human being where the spirit from Heaven first resided on earth. Well, believe it or not. FYI.

Miraflor (maybe her surname; given name maybe Rosalina) is the name of the Spanish woman before her spirit was transferred to Ka Apaz in the Philippines, I guess in 1938, when she was conceived. Ka Apaz was born on 1939-05-05. Miraflor was 18 years old when she died in 1923 or 1924.

PC, you understand the Pharisees didn't have Jesus flogged, don't you?
Reneliniyindi is a fictitious character, there is no record of such a person marrying Philip the Fair. None whatsoever.

Rosalina Miraflor is the name of the person you want researched?
Are you certain?
Where in Spain was she born?
While civil records are not entirely reliable, ecclesiastical ones are. There will certainly be a record of this person's baptism.
So it's a question of knowing the person's real name and where they are from.
 
No, that is not what you said at all. I am not the confused one in this equation.

One of your statements is a lie. Choose one, and only one.


You have no information of any value to any sane, rational, morally adept individual -- Except as a warning of the egregious harm that uncritical religiously-oriented thinking can do to the mind. You tell convoluted stories about people who never existed. You think that you know Jewish culture better than people who have actually lived it. You're obsessed with a silly calendar that's contaminated with Christian holidays, and want it to be adopted by a majority non-Christian world.

You had the unmitigated gall to think that you could acquire for yourself a harem of 10 widows after a nuclear war wiped out 2/3 of Earth's population, foolishly thinking that surviving females would outnumber surviving males by 10:1.

And I will never, ever forgive you for saying that the prospect of a future nuclear war was a "consolation." With those words, Aristeo, you became My sworn enemy and I shall not rest until you are gone from these forums or have experienced the total loss of your faith.


Actually, no. I see the world getting better, consistently, as people become more educated and less superstitious.

And, on the 'evil' front, I think your beliefs set a whole new standard for such. What you believe is morally ghastly and intellectually debilitating in the extreme.


There shall be no Judgment Day. Once you die, Aristeo, you will never awaken... Ever. There is no prayer in the universe strong enough to bring you back to life after you close your eyes for that final time.

And keep in mind, please, that all of My predictions have been true and all of yours have been false.


@Astreja, #442, 445

I have told you, Astreja, that neither “not ... during Passover” nor “sometime during Passover” is a lie. Passover was on Av 14, 3760 (August 1, 1 BC) and Jesus was crucified on Av 30, 3760 (August 17, 1 BC). Passover was not nearer than the seventh month of the lunar year or not nearer than the Jewish month of Shevat.

I am not a storyteller. I just share what I heard and learned from a spirit who we talk to. Whether you will believe it or not is not for me to decide.
 
@Astreja, #442, 445

I have told you, Astreja, that neither “not ... during Passover” nor “sometime during Passover” is a lie. Passover was on Av 14, 3760 (August 1, 1 BC) and Jesus was crucified on Av 30, 3760 (August 17, 1 BC).


Ignoring for a minute that all of your dates are complete fantasy, surely even you can see that two dates, sixteen days apart, cannot both be "sometime during Passover".


Passover was not nearer than the seventh month of the lunar year or not nearer than the Jewish month of Shevat.


Irrelevant, as usual.


I am not a storyteller.


More's the pity. This addled, preachy nonsense is becoming very tedious.


I just share what I heard and learned from a spirit who we talk to.


No, you don't.


Whether you will believe it or not is not for me to decide.


You must have noticed that nobody here believes you. Not one single person.

So I have to wonder, why do you persist?

In what way is preaching to people who will never believe you an effective use of your tiime?
 
@Meadmaker, #428

World Book Dictionary defines “conventional” as “depending on conventions; customary; of the usual type or design, commonly used or seen."

From the book “The New Standard Jewish Encyclopaedia”, the entry for “Shavuoth” says “The Mishnah and Talmud call it atzeret, apparently meaning ‘termination,’ i.e. of the Passover period inasmuch as fifty days (Gk. Pentecost) had elapsed and been counted. After the destruction of the Temple, the tradition was emphasized that Shavuoth commemorates the giving of the law on Mt. Sinai on Sivan 6, and this aspect permeates the prayers of the festival.” There is not even a mention of the Maccabean revolt.

Why would there be a mention of the Maccabean revolt in an entry about Shavuot?

I'll bet there is a lot of mention of the Maccabean revolt in the entry about Hanukah, but I wouldn't see any need to bring it up when talking about Shavuot.

So where is the Temple where Jews can worship? No more. So they changed Hanukkah to commemorate the Maccabean uprising during the second century BC. This was done after the Jewish calendar reformation of 358/359 AD.

So, what about all the references to Hanukah on 25th Kislev from before the calendar reform?

More to come.
 
Matthew 24:41 states: “Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” This is similar to Luke 17:35. Ama revealed that the woman taken was the Blessed Virgin Mary. The other woman left must have a name also. Ama said that her name is Reneliniyindi, the name of the human being where the spirit from Heaven first resided on earth. Well, believe it or not. FYI.

Why would an egyptian princess be grinding flour with some random peasant in Israel?
 
Since the Israelites could not have both Hanukkah and Sukkoth on the 15th of Tishri, they moved Hanukkah to Kislev 25 (to compete with the Christian’s Christmas on December 25?).

First, let's deal with the Christmas thing. The Calendar of 358 was completed by Hillel II, in Babylon, which was part of the Persian empire. Meanwhile, over in Rome, Christianity was growing, but there were still a bunch of people worshipping Jupiter and his crowd, and also Mithras and his bunch. Among Mithraics there was a festival of Sol Invictus. They celebrated his birth at the Winter solstice, which at that time fell on December 25.

It was a good party, and even if you give up the god worship, no one likes to give up the party, so, some time in the 4th century, I think it was late in the 4th century, after calendar reform, the Pope sent out a letter saying that Christians could keep the Sol party, but instead of celebrating Sol Invictus, they could celebrate the birth of Jesus instead. So the birth of Jesus was to be celebrated, by Papal decree, at the Winter solstice, but the Pope didn't say "Winter solstice", he said December 25.

It took a long time, meaning several centuries, for Christmas to take hold in the imagination and become a huge deal.

So, it is very likely that Hillel, living in Persia, did not even know that Christmas existed. Even if he had, the idea that he would place a holiday to compete with it is ridiculous, but the fact that he probably didn't even know that it existed seems to eliminate all possibility that it was among his motivations for calendar reform.
 
OK. There is a sinister attempt going on right here and now to disavow what was previously espoused, by dint of a divide and conquer methodology.

PC fervently hopes that all will forget the failures of all previous threads by focussing on the minutia of the current point of discussion.

I cry foul. When each of the crackpot theories is presented in toto, one might wonder about the mindset, but it is easy to present in teeny weeny bits, and have everyone arguing about aspects of the minutiae.

Well, blow that. When one considers the body of work as a whole, one will find a whole pile.

Without further ado, here is a list of claims(with links to the OP's).

Consider them well.

This is from approx the first 25% of the first 2012 thread, yet has not reached the worst claims yet.

I could continue...maybe...

1. China will occupy the Philippines, also

2. There's going to be three eyed babies

3. Humans give birth to cats, cats give birth to humans.

4. Judge Floro of the Philippines consults three dwarves.

5. The London Olympics will be cancelled due to the outbreak of WWIII (and onwards throughout that thread)

6. WWIII will cancel the London Olympics and 2/3 of the human population will perish.

7. Specific dates for the birth and death of jebus have been determined by PC

8. If the Olympic prophecy fails, PC will repudiate the false prophet, yet didn't when the failure came
9. China has amassed an army 200 million strong
10. WWIII will break out on a Wednesday before or during the London Olympics.
11. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8369449&postcount=269
12. It's gonna be worldwide nuclear war (bet the 200m chinese troops won't be pleased)
13. China is firing lasers at US sattelites to disable them.
14. The I-Ching and Nostradamus confirm WWIII
15. This is all straight from the holey spook.
16. 3 days food is sufficient to survive nuclear war
17. Although 2/3 of the population will perish, the ratio of men to women afterwards will be 1 to 10. Every chap gets a harem.
18. Nuclear winter will last only three days and three nights.
19. After the nuclear holocaust, houses will have endured intact and the survivors can pick which they like (big enough for your 10 merry widows)

20. After nukes barter, no currency. Did I mention this supposedly all happened last July?
21. Jebus: born 33BC, died 1 BC, because...well why not? Makes as much sense as anything else.
22. First mention of St. Evangeline and Angeline Imden.We shall be returning to that odd diversion later.
23. Draught excluders and tape are all you need to survive nuclear holocaust.
 
Next, let's move to the idea that Hillel "moved" any holiday at all.

You (PeaceCrusader) have shown no evidence that any of the Jewish holidays were ever celebrated on any date other than where they are celebrated today. You've made a couple of attempts, but all those attempts have shown is that you don't really understand Jewish customs. For example, your assertion that Constantine's letter proved that sometimes Passover was celbrated in January, and next in December, proved that you didn't understand the custom, both ancient and modern, of celebrating Passover twice, just to be sure.

On the other hand, even though you haven't provided evidence, you have provided reasoning. Unfortunately, your reasoning is flawed as well. You assert that Hanukah had to be moved in order to not conflict with Sukkot. However, why is that? You have asserted that the "dedication" referred to in the holiday's name is actually the dedication of the first temple. You have shown, quite satisfactorily, that this first dedication took place at Sukkot.

In the centuries between the dedication of the first temple and the calendar reform, when is it that you think the dedication was celebrated? The Bible says the temple was dedicated at Sukkot. Is it your contention that, several centuries after the dedication, when the Babylonian style calendar was adopted, that Sukkot was moved to the new style calendar, but that the feast of dedication, which had been on Sukkot, was retained in the purely lunar calendar? And then later, when the purely lunar calendar was finally removed once and for all, Hillel knew that the original dedication had been at Sukkot, but it wouldn't be right to move the dedication feast to Sukkot (apparently since there was no temple? I didn't follow that.) so they made up a different holiday associated with the second temple and the Maccabees, and moved that holiday to the 25 of Kislev.

I'm really not following this.

When they moved some holidays out of the purely lunar calendar into the lunisolar calendar, did they have any criteria for which ones would be moved?



Next up, that holiday mentioned in John, which was the Feast of Dedication, in winter. As we have seen, it doesn't actually say Feast of Dedication in the Bible. It says Feast of Renewal. What holiday was that?

Presumably, Hanukah. It would make sense. After all, what was being celebrated at that holiday (in the conventional histories acceped by non-amaic scholars) was the renewal of Jewish worship at the temple. The translators into English were probably correct to say it was Hanukah, and translate the word Hanukah into English as "dedication". However, there is another possibility. it is at least conceivable that the "Feast of Renewal" was a new year's feast. Judaism actually has four new years. One of them, the "new year of trees" is Tu B'shvat, observed every year on the fifteenth of Shvat. It is conceivable that this was the actual holiday referred to by John as the "Feast of Renewal". It doesn't seem all that likely, but it could be.

Finally, to go back to another point you made earlier, could you explain what evidence that the day after the Lord's ascension was the Feast of Tabernacles, and how the apostles' state of sobriety at 9:00 am provides evidence of this? It was confusing to me.
 
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What I find funny is that seldom do posters like PC, jabba, DOC, Edge. Paul Bethke (?), or all the religious birds on that Canadian coin cross post. It is surely obvious that no one here (mega plural) will be swayed by fallacious arguments, but many of these threads are blasphemy and heretical to other believers.

Why isn't DOC here to tell PC that he is full of BS?
 

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