Julian Assange: rapist or not?

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John Mekki said:
Or maybe blocking McKinnon` s extradition was not important as he was not the one behind the major leak of confidential cables in US history.

Just wondering..
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I'm more of the opinion that JA's extradition to the US hasn't been blocked because he's not being extradited to the US.
 
Noztradamus said:
All data becomes part of the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory
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Exactly. The cases mentioned where extradition was denied by the Home Secretary were both due to the health of the defendant. Assange and the other 3000 odd people who's extraditions have not been denied are all healthy enouigh to stand trial. Nah, that has to be a coincidence.....
 
Mycroft said:
Wow. That's creepy.
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It's really *********** creepy. But you know what's really weird? How we don't already all know this narrative. How we're all meant to hide behind "Well he ain't had a fail trial yet!". I mean, we hear this utter tripe from supporters. How about this little theory, ok? My theory is that,

1. the people who supplied evidence to the extradition hearing were telling the truth, (JA babbles about knocking up virgins and impregnating women to anyone that will listen in a cynical and egotistical manner).

2. Assange actually did force more than woman to have sex with him without a condom.

3. Assuming these 2 points are true we can conclude that Assange has dug his own grave and is a naive piece of **** acting as a parasite deluded by ideas about "changing the world" and "exposing the truth" when all he is doing is being a pain in the ass and gaining followers for a dwindling cult based on narcissism and attacking actually successful people as your main profession for the pure convenience and counter-culture status if affords you.

Why is this less likely than "this is all a conspiracy by the pentagon because they are so mad about documents being leaked (that really didn't cause any revolution)"?

Isn't it morely likely that we haven't heard more about this "Julian was obsessed with impregnating women-explains the forcing without a condom thing" because so much of the oxygen is taken up discussing what his impact or relevance is? He's playing the media in this way it's a really weird thing to be aware of. I can't believe he's gotten away with so much for so long he's a truly epic manipulator.
 
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Joey McGee said:
It's really *********** creepy. But you know what's really weird? How we don't already all know this narrative. How we're all meant to hide behind "Well he ain't had a fail trial yet!". I mean, we hear this utter tripe from supporters. How about this little theory, ok? My theory is that,

1. the people who supplied evidence to the extradition hearing were telling the truth, (JA babbles about knocking up virgins and impregnating women to anyone that will listen in a cynical and egotistical manner).

2. Assange actually did force more than woman to have sex with him without a condom.

3. Assuming these 2 points are true we can conclude that Assange has dug his own grave and is a naive piece of **** acting as a parasite deluded by ideas about "changing the world" and "exposing the truth" when all he is doing is being a pain in the ass and gaining followers for a dwindling cult based on narcissism and attacking actually successful people as your main profession for the pure convenience and counter-culture status if affords you.

Why is this less likely than "this is all a conspiracy by the pentagon because they are so mad about documents being leaked (that really didn't cause any revolution)"?

Isn't it morely likely that we haven't heard more about this "Julian was obsessed with impregnating women-explains the forcing without a condom thing" because so much of the oxygen is taken up discussing what his impact or relevance is? He's playing the media in this way it's a really weird thing to be aware of. I can't believe he's gotten away with so much for so long he's a truly epic manipulator.
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What's more this may be the tip of the iceberg. I have heard that other women have mentioned issues with his sexual behavior.
 
Ok great. trustbutverify maintains they have heard the co-founder accused him of it too. Let's gather the resources. Mine is the extradition hearing which should gather no skeptics as to the verity of the statements. But this is truly the real story here, one that the title of the thread seeks to pursue.
 
If that is in fact the case, as would seem to be indicated by the evidence presented, then Julian Assange is even more of a sleaze than I thought he was... and I didn't think that was possible. *shudders*

I'm reminded of the plot of an episode of Law and Order: SVU; wherein a man ostensibly acquiesced to the wishes of his (multiple) partners that he wear a condom, but he poked holes in the condom prior to slipping it on in order to impregnate them. I believe he had upwards of fifty some kids. As I recall, one of his victims ended up shooting him.

I realize that Hollywood is probably taking quite the artistic license with that story, but I have to wonder if Assange is not courting a similar outcome if he continues in this vein.
 
Sabrina said:
If that is in fact the case, as would seem to be indicated by the evidence presented, then Julian Assange is even more of a sleaze than I thought he was... and I didn't think that was possible. *shudders*

I'm reminded of the plot of an episode of Law and Order: SVU; wherein a man ostensibly acquiesced to the wishes of his (multiple) partners that he wear a condom, but he poked holes in the condom prior to slipping it on in order to impregnate them. I believe he had upwards of fifty some kids. As I recall, one of his victims ended up shooting him.
I realize that Hollywood is probably taking quite the artistic license with that story, but I have to wonder if Assange is not courting a similar outcome if he continues in this vein.
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SPOILER ALERT!!!!

It was just on as a repeat here. The episode was called Bang. The charcter is Ken Turner who was played by John Stamos of Full House fame. He was actually stabbed with a WASP by the expert in reproductive abusers that got called in, Dr. Audrey Shelton. She did it after he tried to pick her up after the case. Now back to the regularly scheduled Assange hating...
 
US and allies' Assange/Correa plan going off the rails?

'CIA Look to Swamp Correa'


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About a month ago I asked a former colleague in the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office what Hague saw as the endgame in the Julian Assange asylum standoff, and where the room for negotiation lay. My friend was dismissive – the policy was simply to wait for the Presidential election in Ecuador in February. The United States and allies were confident that Correa will lose, and my friend and I having both been senior diplomats for many years we understood what the United States would be doing to ensure that result. With Correa replaced by a pro-USA President, Assange’s asylum will be withdrawn, the Metropolitan Police invited in to the Embassy of Ecuador to remove him, and Assange sent immediately to Sweden from where he could be extradited to the United States to face charges of espionage and aiding terrorism.

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There was confidence that the Correa problem would soon pass, but the State Department has since been shocked by the return of Hugo Chavez. Like Correa, senior US diplomats had convinced themselves – and convinced La Clinton – that Chavez was going to lose. The fury at Chavez’s return has led to a diktat that the same mistake must not be made in Ecuador.
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http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/10/cia-look-to-swamp-correa/


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Claes Borgström granskas i disciplinnämnd

Advokat Claes Borgströms deltagande i den mejlkonversation där justitierådet Göran Lambertz dryftat strategier för debatten kring det så kallade Quickärendet, kommer nu att prövas i Advokatsamfundets Disciplinnämnd.
 
 
JihadJane said:
Claes Borgström granskas i disciplinnämnd

Advokat Claes Borgströms deltagande i den mejlkonversation där justitierådet Göran Lambertz dryftat strategier för debatten kring det så kallade Quickärendet, kommer nu att prövas i Advokatsamfundets Disciplinnämnd.
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Correct. It has of course nothing to do with the JA case, and so far the only information we have is that they will look into the situation (as opposed to JAs laywer that was warned specifically for his actions in relations to JA).


As for the Craig Murray stupidity, well, the less said, the better...
 
JihadJane said:
US and allies' Assange/Correa plan going off the rails?

'CIA Look to Swamp Correa'
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If I may, Jane..
Quoting "Sixth Sense"..

"They see only what they want to see"

They do not want to see what it is rotten on "their" side (or what they think it is "their" side), so no evidence you can bring will make them change their mind.
They are like the "true" communists under Stalin who, despite all the mass deaths that were occurring under their eyes, were still believing that Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism was the path to a glorious future.
No matter what evidence of the opposite they could be put under their nose.
It is a lost battle.
 
John Mekki said:
If I may, Jane..
Quoting "Sixth Sense"..

"They see only what they want to see"

They do not want to see what it is rotten on "their" side (or what they think it is "their" side), so no evidence you can bring will make them change their mind.
They are like the "true" communists under Stalin who, despite all the mass deaths that were occurring under their eyes, were still believing that Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism was the path to a glorious future.
No matter what evidence of the opposite they could be put under their nose.
It is a lost battle.
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Ah, so you think that Craig Murrays piece made sense?

You know, let's take a quick look and see what he says:

Craig Murray said:
it would be perfectly possible for the Swedish government to give that assurance
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Craig Murray said:
and Assange sent immediately to Sweden from where he could be extradited to the United States to face charges of espionage and aiding terrorism
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So apparently he thinks an assurance from Sweden would be in place. Well, Sweden has actually made a public statement regarding this - so tell me - what does that statement actually say, and does CMs statements make sense in the light of that statement?
 
John Mekki said:
If I may, Jane..
Quoting "Sixth Sense"..

"They see only what they want to see"

They do not want to see what it is rotten on "their" side (or what they think it is "their" side), so no evidence you can bring will make them change their mind.
They are like the "true" communists under Stalin who, despite all the mass deaths that were occurring under their eyes, were still believing that Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism was the path to a glorious future.
No matter what evidence of the opposite they could be put under their nose.
It is a lost battle.
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Yet here you are fighting it! :covereyes
 
So Murray got information from his "secret inside source" that the USG thought Chavez was going to lose an election that every poll taken indicated he was going to win comfortably? An election in which he enjoyed overwhelming media and electoral power?

Stick to smearing Assange's accusers by accusing them of being CIA "honeypot" agents.
 
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