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What's your theory about 9/11?

FrankHT said:
But I'm not in a hole. I made legitimate points & asked legitimate questions. I keep being asked,"what did you want them to do? Shoot down a civilian airliner? It might have landed on a school or a hospital" etc,etc.
Okay,then,if shooting down a civilian airliner is such an extreme idea then why scramble fighters in the first place? Why fighters? Fighters are to shoot things down. What was the rush? Why an emergency scramble? Why "full blower all the way"? To get there and do nothing but watch?
Of course the intention was to shoot them down and after 9:03 it wasn't going happening by the book (actually after 8:47). The pilots weren't going to bother with the little game of over take,rock wings etc,etc. And everyone knew it.
Therefore when I see things that look like an intentional game of keep away being played from within our own air defenses,I say so.
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Just out of curiosity, Why do you think the Ottis pilots listened to ATC? They wouldn't have been "playing by the book" right? Your own post put a crimp in your "theory", unless you now want to say the pilots were in on it.

You watch too many Bruce Willis movies. :rolleyes:
 
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There's nothing wrong with watching Bruce Willis movies as long as you realize that they are not documentaries or training aids. ;)
 
FrankHT said:
Steward's plane was flying over the middle of nowhere. That's not the same thing as NYC or Washington DC.
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Do you try to look things up first? Flight plan was to Dallas, is Dallas the middle of nowhere?
Passed Atlanta, and Birmingham, St Louis, Des Moines, middle of nowhere? Do you try to look things up first?

Why did they not shoot down Stewart's plane? Why did NORAD not intercept it?
 
FrankHT said:
Actually,are you sure they did? I think the went to NYC without FAA authorization on their own.
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And you base this theory on what? Who gave them their clearance from their holding pattern to NYC?
 
FrankHT said:
...It's as simple as this: military people do what they're told. Whatever the official story is at the moment,that's what they'll defend & claim to believe....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

You were saying?

Of course, how many people to you think have volunteered to help defend their country are going to be willing to help cover up thousands of counts of murder? And, gosh, wouldn't some of the people issuing the orders work in the Pentagon? How many of their friends and co-workers dead do you think they're willing to stomach?


FrankHT said:
So,why do emergency scrambles of fighters at all? Why did the military respond at all? What's the point? To make sure the fighters pilots got a really good view? I assume there was a reason fighters were scrambled rather than just news helicopters? There was a reason,right?
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Because they were hoping to get there in time to do something, your disingenuous, rhetorical, argument by ridicule notwithstanding.

Oh,I know,they were supposed to do a song & dance (while the towers burned),right? Overtake, peek the into cockpit to make sure the pilot isn't slumped over dead,over take,rock wings,over take again,come back round,ask for permission to fire a warning shot,wait for permission,wait for permission,wait for permission (I assumed they'd be asking Marr,so it'd be a LONG wait). Once permission came,fire warning shot,over take,rock wings,see if he follows,come back round.......In other words,it would take all damn day to shoot a plane down by the book.
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You've demonstrated a remarkable paucity of knowledge of the contents of said book. Care to quote chapter and verse, metaphorically speaking?

The pilots knew it couldn't be done by the book. And the perpetrators knew the pilots knew it and couldn't be trusted to follow the book which is why this elaborate game of 'keep away' had to be played in the first place.
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Then why send planes up in the first place?

So,beachnut,I guess are right about military people. They do have original thoughts.
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What I find interesting is that you never actually answered the question, only saying that "The pilots knew it couldn't be done by the book".
 
FrankHT said:
But I'm not in a hole. I made legitimate points & asked legitimate questions. I keep being asked,"what did you want them to do? Shoot down a civilian airliner? It might have landed on a school or a hospital" etc,etc.
Okay,then,if shooting down a civilian airliner is such an extreme idea then why scramble fighters in the first place? Why fighters? Fighters are to shoot things down. What was the rush? Why an emergency scramble? Why "full blower all the way"? To get there and do nothing but watch?
Of course the intention was to shoot them down and after 9:03 it wasn't going happening by the book (actually after 8:47). The pilots weren't going to bother with the little game of over take,rock wings etc,etc. And everyone knew it.
Therefore when I see things that look like an intentional game of keep away being played from within our own air defenses,I say so.
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Are you being economical with the truth again?
 
DGM said:
Apparently you missed the part where they listened to NY center. :rolleyes:
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Not only did they listen to NY Center, they talked to them.

Where is Frank? He must still be at his victory party waiting for someone to show up.:)
 
FrankHT said:
Okay,then,if shooting down a civilian airliner is such an extreme idea then why scramble fighters in the first place? Why fighters? Fighters are to shoot things down.
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Proof positive you don't have a clue what you are talking about and why I stopped dealing with your nonsense a week ago.
 
Everybody knows that the only reason to scramble fighters is to shoot things down. Wake up people!!!111!!1!!!11!!11
 
I'm surprised the cold war never turned hot with all those Russian bombers getting shot down every time alert fighters were scrambled.
 
Reactor drone said:
I'm surprised the cold war never turned hot with all those Russian bombers getting shot down every time alert fighters were scrambled.
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I'm surprised anyone would fly what with all those airliners being shot out of the air when their transponder failed.
 
FrankHT said:
But I'm not in a hole. I made legitimate points & asked legitimate questions. I keep being asked,"what did you want them to do? Shoot down a civilian airliner? It might have landed on a school or a hospital" etc,etc.
Okay,then,if shooting down a civilian airliner is such an extreme idea then why scramble fighters in the first place? Why fighters? Fighters are to shoot things down. What was the rush? Why an emergency scramble? Why "full blower all the way"? To get there and do nothing but watch?
Of course the intention was to shoot them down and after 9:03 it wasn't going happening by the book (actually after 8:47). The pilots weren't going to bother with the little game of over take,rock wings etc,etc. And everyone knew it.
Therefore when I see things that look like an intentional game of keep away being played from within our own air defenses,I say so.
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Reasons for the scramble that occur to a layman:

There was massive confusion over what was going on and having them on site if they were needed made sense at the time.

It might help calm panicking citizens to see them in the air.

And of course that old favourite, the need to be seen to be doing something, anything, regardless of whether it was useful.

Now if none of those occurred to you I really don't think you can expect to be taken very seriously at all.
 
FrankHT said:
But I'm not in a hole. I made legitimate points & asked legitimate questions.
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You received legitimate answers which you ignored. How about a legitimate answer from you? What is your military experience?
 
What is my theory about 9/11?

Religious zealots were able to exploit very lax airport security and commit acts of mass murder. Period. Their motivations? Hatred of the west, a twisted religious belief that mass murder will be rewarded.
There is zero evidence of any kind of inside job- all 9/11 Truther cultists have offered are fantasy conclusions with nothing to back their claims
 
Garrison said:
Reasons for the scramble that occur to a layman:

There was massive confusion over what was going on and having them on site if they were needed made sense at the time.

It might help calm panicking citizens to see them in the air.

And of course that old favourite, the need to be seen to be doing something, anything, regardless of whether it was useful.

Now if none of those occurred to you I really don't think you can expect to be taken very seriously at all.
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These did,indeed,occur to me. Which is why I said the Otis F15s were supposed to do a 'patriotic' flyover of the WTC AFTER WTC2 was hit so that people COULD SEE them & think it was a near miss (oopss just missed better luck next time..at least we know they TRIED).
I was never in the military (thank God) but the question itself is nothing but an appeal to authority because implied within it is the implication that I just can't understand things military or 911 & therefore must accept without question the claims of those who were. Appeal to authority is a well know debating technique & it has no place in a real discussion/debate about 911. It's a trick.
The same is true with the 'appeal to emotion' that Beachnut is so good at,"why do you spit on the military"?"make excuses for the terrorists" (predrawn conculsion) etc,etc. Those well know techniques have no place in a real debate about 911 because they are easily recognized for what they are:Techniques/tricks designed to sway the minds of readers with something other than (short of) REASON.
 
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