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2012 Debates

Molinaro said:
CNN commentary didn't miss Romney's biggest gaff.

"When Romney was asked about how to get equal pay for equal work for women, he said he had the solution for how to get them home in time to make dinner!"

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I caught that, but then Obama had his turn and other than the Ledbetter act, really didn't address the issue directly either (but not quite as dismissing and insulting as Romney).
 
Buckaroo said:
People are seriously calling this a draw after Whiney McTantrum was layed out by the Libya beating? I don't get y'all at all.
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I agree.

Look, I get it, I am bias in this because I am an Obama supporter. But even if I step outside that and give Romney a few points that might be on the fence between the two there are things that Obama just beat Romney up over.

Obama was a lot tougher on Romney's BS this time. He was a lot less worried about being "Presidential" and more focused on being strong and making points.

I just don't see how anyone could call this a tie. I think Obama's POINTS in the last debate were spot on but he played it way too mellow. I thought Obama won on factual points last time but I will concede that he did lose on style and flare.

This time Obama hit Romney hard on a few things like the 47% comments but I didn't see Romney landing a big knock out on anything.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Exactly my point: Romney showed off how much of an asshat he was regarding women, while trying to court their vote. Sorry if I miscommunicated my point.
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I've been really busy at work all morning and I'm just checking in now. Did Romney really say that, or is this some kind of joke?
 
As an oil company guy, I have to say Obama smoked Romney on one point. Romney tried to claim Obama had cut oil leases, and Obama explained quite directly that he had cut back on the practice of oil companies sitting on leases until they felt good and ready to drill. Well, that is true. Oil companies are constantly trying to hold their leases with minor activities that sort-of satisfy the idea that they are getting ready to drill. That's how they cut leasing costs. But it's a dodge, and I don't think anybody in our company could honestly claim that it isn't.

Obama destroyed Romney's point and replaced it with a reasonable and true scenario. But most people won't realize that, so it's probably not going to be a big issue.
 
Not quite a comment on the debate itself, but more a comment on our political system highlighted by this years debates.

Both candidates spent too much time (IMHO) talking about the other's policies and not enough about their own. In short they both seemed more concerned about convincing voters not to vote for the other candidate rather than convincing us to vote for them.

I really wish we had more than two viable parties, then such tactics would become a false dichotomy, rather than the true one it is currently.
 
Puppycow said:
I've been really busy at work all morning and I'm just checking in now. Did Romney really say that, or is this some kind of joke?
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I've been told that he said this:

"Now, one of the reasons I was able to get so many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort, but number two, because I recognized that if you’re going to have women in the workforce, that sometimes they need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said, I can’t be here until 7:00 or 8:00 at night. I need to be able to get home at 5:00 so I can be there for -- making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school. So we said, fine, let’s have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you."
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Buckaroo said:
That's my point. We've learned over the last couple of debates that style is what matters, and Romney was trounced on it.
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Then in that case, Romney's refusal to adhere to the format of the debate was excused by the apparent bias of the moderator. Obama taking Romney to task over some of Romney's egregious lies and distortions was excused by the denigrating attacks employed by Obama against someone who just loves America for what America truly stands for. ;)
 
Did Romney really say (on the immigration question) "some of my favorite servants are immigrants"? I had a bit of crosstalk as the other computer playing the debate was ten seconds slower.
 
Even Fox is saying Obama won. And those on there who aren't, are complaining about the moderator.

Romney's answer to the woman issue was incredibly bad.
 
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Obama made it clear that Romney would not commit on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
 
Caper said:
Draw or slight edge to Obama. That's how I objectively see it.
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Aw, c'mon Caper. I hope you didn't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back that you are objective. Riiiiiight. Most folks here are biased and fully admit it. Give it a try yourself; it's refreshing. Here, consider this: I am biased for Obama and my positions should be considered in that light.

Regarding the debate I say, "Thank you again, Joe." Obama HAD to come out strong because Joe forced him to. He (Obama) did better than I expected.
 
cwalner said:
Not quite a comment on the debate itself, but more a comment on our political system highlighted by this years debates.

Both candidates spent too much time (IMHO) talking about the other's policies and not enough about their own. In short they both seemed more concerned about convincing voters not to vote for the other candidate rather than convincing us to vote for them.

I really wish we had more than two viable parties, then such tactics would become a false dichotomy, rather than the true one it is currently.
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I completely agree... and we may get our wish soon just perhaps not as we want it.

I just can't see the GOP operating the way it has over the last few years for much longer. We might just end up with a "left" (if that's what we want to call the Dems now), a "Wealthy Right" (which is sort of the GOP from the Reagan years) and the Tea Party hard right nut jobs.

If it does break down like this I don't think the Tea Party hard right is going to last and will eventually be taken back into the GOP fold again.
 
I think the only way Obama could have won the debate tonight is if he had had someone else take his place. Interestingly, someone else IS going to be taking his place in about a month.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I think the only way Obama could have won the debate tonight is if he had had someone else take his place. Interestingly, someone else IS going to be taking his place in about a month.
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Things still looking rosey through those tinted glasses of yours?
 
maxpower1227 said:
I've been told that he said this:
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You've got it right.

What he was trying to do was dodge the equal pay issue by instead focusing on flexible scheduling, which I think is somewhat valid, as that does tend to be a bigger issue for women than men in general.

He blew it though by using the making dinner comment, because he then reminded us that the reason flexible schedules are more important to women in the workplace is because household chores still unfairly fall much more on them than on men.

It may also bring more attention to the fact that the traditional family that Republicans focus so much on (as perfectly represented by the Romneys) is becoming much less viable for the middle class, which often has only one parent or when it has two, both parents are working outside the home (which is much more in line with the pre White House Obamas)
 
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