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Gillard labels Abbott a misogynist

Wildy said:
Alfie, lionking has a point here. Why don't you respond to Mark Corrigan's post? Is it because you haven't seen it or is it because you aren't actually interested in having a discussion?
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Both, I reckon. The total lack of interest in having a discussion has induced a form of selective blindness.
 
Maybe I did miss something, someone please point me to the post in question.

In the meantime perhaps we could have an actual explanation as to why Abbott is a misogynist.
Link, quotes, context, argument.

Cheers
 
Alfie, Mark Corrigan's post, as if you didn't know.

MarkCorrigan said:
You must be kidding.

Here's a little thought experiment.

Think of a way, any way, where the statement "Abortion is the easy way out" is not misogynistic irrespective of the actual context that statement was made in.

Any context whatsoever whereby the statement is said seriously that strips it of any sexism.


Of course, you will not do this, you will just ask for the context and why this makes the statement misogynistic. If you fail to see why this is a stupid way to go about things, let's take the statement "If these Jews and Muslims want to integrate better they could just convert."

I hasten to add, that is NOT what I think nor is it a phrase I have heard from any politician. It is simply an illustrative phrase.

That being said, I think you will agree that it is pretty obviously a racist (or if you prefer, xenophobic) phrase whatever the context is. If that phrase was ever said in seriousness by a politician, you would have a fairly good idea of their attitudes towards immigration in general and Jews and Muslims in particular. It doesn't need an argument to show it's racist because it is quite obviously so. You don't have to provide the entire speech it was made in, nor the question(s) asked to prompt the speech to show that this individual is a racist.

So why do we need to give you, someone who refuses to click on links provided which gives the context I might add, a whole swathe of information providing direct context and quotes to show that a plainly misogynistic statement is in fact misogynistic?

Do you think that the statement shorn of all context is NOT misogynistic? Is that what is happening here? Do you think saying abortion is the easy way out is perfectly ok and not at all sexist?

What about this?



That statement is another that doesn't need context because it is an independent statement. It doesn't matter what question was asked. He replied with his view, to whit that women won't have equal representation, and then supplied his reasoning, that they have different priorities and ability compared to men. That makes the statement easy to interpret because it is entirely self-contained.

Do you think the idea that women are of lesser ability than men and thus won't be ever equally represented is a sexist statement?
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And the response? Well, I predict "Still doesn't answer my questions. You guys still need to show evidence ... blah blah." Something like that.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Think of a way, any way, where the statement "Abortion is the easy way out" is not misogynistic irrespective of the actual context that statement was made in.
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Sure. When someone has a value that is pro life. That does not mean the individual hates women (which is what a misogynous is) but one who holds a value that overrides (by a little or a lot) another.

This is not mysogynistic from what I can see, but I will let you show me otherwise if you wish.

MarkCorrigan said:
Any context whatsoever whereby the statement is said seriously that strips it of any sexism.
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As previously stated, sexism is a different beast altogether and this thread is about misogyny (hatred of women).

MarkCorrigan said:
Of course, you will not do this, you will just ask for the context and why this makes the statement misogynistic.
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And I would still like to hear the full argument as to why it is misogynistic (hating women). So far you have proven nothing.

MarkCorrigan said:
What about this?

That statement is another that doesn't need context because it is an independent statement. It doesn't matter what question was asked. He replied with his view, to whit that women won't have equal representation, and then supplied his reasoning, that they have different priorities and ability compared to men. That makes the statement easy to interpret because it is entirely self-contained.

Do you think the idea that women are of lesser ability than men and thus won't be ever equally represented is a sexist statement?
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I didn't read anywhere that he said they were of lesser abilities - he did say different - your post appears dishonest.
Is he wrong? Why?

By the way, that was written by him what? some 35 years ago. If you have to trawl back that far you are struggling. Got anything more recent that was written when he was, you know, an adult?
 
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