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And I say this as someone who has serious reservations about the current group of hacks comprising the republican party. But as of now, my debating score is Romney ticket 2, administration 0.
The predictions are coming true -- Republicans have no choice but to declare Ryan the winner, despite the fact that he was so obviously out of his depth that he looked like a 747 with a periscope and propellers.
The predictions are coming true -- Republicans have no choice but to declare Ryan the winner, despite the fact that he was so obviously out of his depth that he looked like a 747 with a periscope and propellers.
I'm not a republican. Or a democrat. At any rate, how would I know if Ryan was out of his depth, since I was unable to hear him over the constant drone of the uncivilized interrupting hack, Biden.
The only thing I know for sure after having lost an hour of my life last night, is this: Biden needs to lose the chimp grin. The chimp grin sucks.
I'm not a republican. Or a democrat. At any rate, how would I know if Ryan was out of his depth, since I was unable to hear him over the constant drone of the uncivilized interrupting hack, Biden.
"I'm not a Republican, I just always voted that way."
Obviously partisan opinion is obviously partisan, semantics aside. Obama lost; Biden won, both patently obviously. But you'll never hear that from the right; for them, they _have_ to portray it as two losses as otherwise Romney's already-receding bounce will gain momentum... and he didn't even manage to break even in the EC.
And lose another hour of my life? No thanks. I'll just let the pundits point out the various stupidities, mathematical impossibilities, and lies of the various hacks.
And lose another hour of my life? No thanks. I'll just let the pundits point out the various stupidities, mathematical impossibilities, and lies of the various hacks.
Not sure I understand your point. According to FiveThiryEight, Romney as a 34% chance of winning the election (pretty much the same as a three sided coin probability).
daredelvis is correct. Romney's got one side of a three-sided coin right now. Whereas before the debate, it was closer to one side of a six-sided coin.
Not sure I understand your point. According to FiveThiryEight, Romney as a 34% chance of winning the election (pretty much the same as a three sided coin probability).
daredelvis is correct. Romney's got one side of a three-sided coin right now. Whereas before the debate, it was closer to one side of a six-sided coin.
It seemed like Biden was angry with Ryan and Romney for calling half the country essentially takers. I think it's amazing so many people think they deserve the benefit of the doubt after learning that they actually said these things.
I never in a million dog years would have thought a candidate could get away with that.
And why is it so many progressives thought Obama clearly did not perform well, but I've not seen anything of the sort coming from regressives?
EDIT WOW, just saw the post of many of the members here praising Obama's performance during the debate, I guess it wasn't so stark.
Myself I thought Obama didn't lose, he just failed to appropriately react to Romney's feigned demeanor. I think it's clear the public at large considers Romney the winner just because he spoke a certain way and Obama seemed subdued and unwilling to confront Romney openly.
He tried to score points with his anecdote about Romney's generosity toward car crash victims. He probably should have done a little bit of background research before choosing that particular anecdote.
I'm not sure, but Biden's tone might have turned a bit more aggressive after that. He was smirking and laughing right from the beginning, but during the middle portion of the debate he seemed downright angry and lecturing.
I assume you're referring to the fact that Biden's wife and one-year-old daughter were killed in a car accident. I'd probably be peeved at that, too, feeling it was a bit too personal.
You know it's amazing to me that within half an hour of the debate ending, the GOP has a video up, in which they're selling the idea to their sheep, that Biden's smiling and laughter was somehow shocking and offensive.
Worse- you watch this video, and tell me if anything looks wrong.
Because to me, it looks like they've taken footage of Biden smiling and laughing, and inserted/matched it up with parts of the debate where he wasnt actually smiling or laughing.... am I wrong ?
I sincerely hope this video isnt put out by the Republican party, because its quite disingenous, and could likely come back and bite them in the ass.
EDITED- just checked, yep its on the RNC channel on Youtube... they should be ashamed, this is a lie !
Aside from that, I thought Biden really nailed him with the "Green Pork" discussion.
Ryan tries to slam Obama/Biden for the "wasted Billions spent on failed green energy", and yet wait... lo and behold ! Biden has emails from Ryan, where he has his hand out asking for some of that money for his own district !
Hypocrit much ?
Ryan criticized Obama several times for being weak on foriegn policy, but yet he came off looking like a confused school boy, in comparison to Bidens seasoned, and much more reasoned approach. He should have known better than to tangle horns with Biden on foriegn policy, and he completely balked when pinned into a corner about whether he'd start a war with Iran or Syria.
I'd say that Obama could take some debate lessons from his #2, and he'd likely do alot better come next week.
It's amazing how all I hear constantly from the right is umbrage over Biden's smiles and laughter, but Romney's constant smirking and his constant tone of "no, don't you see?" was a commanding and confident presence.
from what I caught on the radio, Ryans point were devoid of substance.
Along the lines of "an American ambassador getting killed is indicative of a failed foreirn policy and crumbling US safety infrastructure".
Or something.
I've noticed that people on sceptical forums tend to look at substance and forget how much this is about perception.
You could have a guy confidently declare 'Eeny Meeny Miny Mo' with a serious look, straight face, booming voice and the right use of dramatic pauses. And he could be perfectly electable.
So true. It's a little disturbing how confident some people are here that this election is a sure deal just because the candidate is clearly more qualified in their opinion.
The predictions are coming true -- Republicans have no choice but to declare Ryan the winner, despite the fact that he was so obviously out of his depth that he looked like a 747 with a periscope and propellers.
The predictions are coming true -- Democrats have no choice but to declare Biden the winner, despite the fact that he was so obviously out of his depth that he looked like a 747 with a periscope and propellers.
The predictions are coming true -- Democrats have no choice but to declare Biden the winner, despite the fact that he was so obviously out of his depth that he looked like a 747 with a periscope and propellers.
Not sure I understand your point. According to FiveThiryEight, Romney as a 34% chance of winning the election (pretty much the same as a three sided coin probability).
daredelvis is correct. Romney's got one side of a three-sided coin right now. Whereas before the debate, it was closer to one side of a six-sided coin.
The transcript simply concatenates half of Ryan's sentences with (CROSSTALK) references. Which was my original problem with the actual "debate", if you recall. I suppose I could edit the transcript, cutting out all the (CROSSTALK) references and stringing Ryan's cut off sentences together, thereby losing even more unrecoverable time. Which would end up telling me what I already said - I'm not a fan of either of the hacks who debated last night, or much of a fan of the majority of Washington's elected denizens. I do favor Obama over Romney, but facts are facts. Obama did lose the first debate, and Biden did behave like a half-senile ass last night. Which, I admit, did seem to "energize" his sycophants...er, I mean supporters. Which scores zero points with me.
BTW, your pundit, in his cutting critique, says the administration has made a number of "egregious" foreign policy errors, but neglected to point any of them out, while criticizing Ryan for also neglecting to point any of them out.
I think I'll just find my own pundits, if you don't mind. I might watch the next Obama-Romney debate, since those two were at least able to behave in a civilized manner.
I suppose I could edit the transcript, cutting out all the (CROSSTALK) references and stringing Ryan's cut off sentences together, thereby losing even more unrecoverable time.
BTW, your pundit, in his cutting critique, says the administration has made a number of "egregious" foreign policy errors, but neglected to point any of them out, while criticizing Ryan for also neglecting to point any of them out.
I think I'll just find my own pundits, if you don't mind.
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I thought that was where he was weakest.
