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2012 Debates

marksman said:
Lets all keep it in perspective too. Here's some comments fro people on this forum who watched the Obama-Romney debate

In response to someone else saying Romney is winning the debate:

To be fair, a handful of posters who support Obama said that Romney won. (Had I been posting in this thread at the time, I would hope I would be one of them.) But let's keep this in mind as we discern how objectively all of us are viewing things.
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Thanks for posting that. I was going to post something similar in response to johnny karate's post indicating that liberals weren't claiming Obama won.

I agree with your assessment of the debate. The only thing that irked me about Biden was the interrupting. Shades of Bill O'Reilly.

Will be very interesting to see how Obama handles the next debate. I'm getting a bit nervous. I was feeling much better when Nate Silver had him at 80+% of winning the electoral college. 66% is far too close for comfort for me.
 
When I say I preferred Obama's performance in his debate, I recognize that things I liked about it are not what people at large are looking for. So I wouldn't say he won, but that I preferred how he handled it. :)
 
Foolmewunz said:
And Biden took advantage of his reputation as a whacko to blurt out that bit about the Supreme Court. I can't recall but was it even remotely related to the topic/question of the moment? But that point was directed to the more far-seeing voters on the left who might not yet feel motivated to vote, I feel.
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He was talking about the Supreme Court in relation to Roe v. Wade, which was in context of the question the mod had asked.

His answer was EXACTLY spot on because it is the intent of the far right to use the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade (even though they blame everyone else for using judges to create legislation from the bench).

So, your point about Biden being a whacko in this instance is completely unfounded.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Ryan made valid points?

Where?
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Obama running up the national debt instead of stabilizing and reducing it is the big-fish, considering it's a staple of the Obama administrations' blaming of Bush 4 years after the fact and not taking sufficient responsibility for the portions of the debt that fell under his time in office.

There is also the talk about the corporate tax rate which the US holds the highest in the industrialized world at 39.2% which he roughly cited while discussing the need to reform the tax code.

Do you think Biden was smir-- no, laughing and patronizing because he thought those issues weren't valid? Perhaps your character portrayal of Biden and Ryan would be helped here if there was some actual substance behind you telling me he was "merely laughing at Ryan's lying". That's nothing but a half truth.

That debate was full of half truths and distortions from both of them; I find that hardly surprising, but to suggest to me that there was no truth to separate from fiction this way, please... I don't need that kind of bias pushed on me. Biden's pushing for specifics on the Romney-Ryan policies would have done the job more than sufficiently without him being disrespectful through the entire course of the debate.

I would have held a much higher view of him had he managed to keep his passion while balancing out the image he was setting for himself. The debate would have been much more productive, granted it's still miles ahead of last weeks debate
 
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Puppycow said:
Well, Huffpo, which was pretty emphatic in declaring Romney the winner of the first debate, seems to be about as hyperbolic about this one too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Wow, this video they put together of Biden's reactions during the debate really makes Biden look like a gigantic a**hat.

It makes it look like all the critical aspects of the debate were just a big joke to Biden.

What a goofus.
 
ANTPogo said:
Yeah, the real winner of this debate was Martha Raddatz.
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I agree, though both Sean Hannity and Lawrence O'Donnell, apparently, disagree. Of course, when you've ired both Hannity and O'Donnell, you're probably doing just fine. :)
 
The VP-debate DID matter in one critical respect...

Denver said:
But, I don't think the debate really mattered. It may have pushed the undecideds a little one way or the other, but that tilt will be overridden by the upcoming presidential debates anyway.
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And here's why all this talk of "who won the debate" is bogus...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/won-vice-presidential-debate-doesn-t-matter-161718546.html

The basic point is that YES, the bleeding from the Obama camp has stopped; and that is because the Democrats have been rallied by Joe Biden. And now that we've rallied, it will make it all that much more difficult for the GOP to make any further gains.

Evidence: In all of the prediction markets President Obama's WTA numbers have gone up and Romney's have dropped since last night.

Malarkey! :D
 
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boooeee said:
Will be very interesting to see how Obama handles the next debate. I'm getting a bit nervous. I was feeling much better when Nate Silver had him at 80+% of winning the electoral college. 66% is far too close for comfort for me.
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66% isn't that close.

If you want close, look back to the 2004 election, where Kerry was running consistently in the markets at 45%+ whereas Bush was less than 55%. And sometimes it even came within 1 or 2%.

ETA: Of course, I freely admit I was also more comfortable when Obama was 80%+.
 
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MattusMaximus said:
And here's why all this talk of "who won the debate" is bogus...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/won-vice-presidential-debate-doesn-t-matter-161718546.html

The answer to that question is YES, and that is because the Democrats have been rallied by Joe Biden. And now that we've rallied, it will make it all that much more difficult for the GOP to make any further gains.

Evidence: In all of the prediction markets President Obama's WTA numbers have gone up and Romney's have dropped since last night.

Malarkey! :D
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Don't agree with many of your posts... agree with that one though. Steadying the ship is a big deal.
 
not_so_new said:
I have got to say... when Biden did his whole thing on how the 47% are paying more effective tax rate than Romney and how Romney. Biden made a LOT of really good points there about the troops and the elderly. He also scored a few points on the Grover Norquist pack and the GOP not wanting to raise taxes on the rich.

To me that was a HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK moment.
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It was like he was never going to stop. I was shouting "Go for it Joe!" It was more of a 97 yard run for a touchdown, for me. I had a fleeting image that I could imagine him running for president with that kind of intensity. ;)
 
Wangler said:
Wow, this video they put together of Biden's reactions during the debate really makes Biden look like a gigantic a**hat.

It makes it look like all the critical aspects of the debate were just a big joke to Biden.

What a goofus.
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Agree. Biden behaved exactly like most of the political hacks the uncivilized hinterland keeps sticking in office: like a complete ass. Making stupid faces, grinning like an ape, muttering under his breath, and worst of all, repeatedly interrupting Ryan when it was Ryan's turn to talk.

I'm no fan of either of those two hacks, but I did want to hear what (both) of the hacks had to say for themselves. But thanks to the uncivilized hack Biden, I had difficulty making out what the other hack was saying much of the time with the Biden hack droning over him in complete contravention of the rules of civilized debate.

The democrats are fools to ever allow Joe Biden to engage in a nationally televised debate on their behalf. Biden is an OK public speaker, but he has no clue how to debate. The man actually failed to defeat Sarah Palin in a debate.

And I say this as someone who has serious reservations about the current group of hacks comprising the republican party. But as of now, my debating score is Romney ticket 2, administration 0.
 
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