The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[abaddon]

@Akhenaten, #163

The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you. He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not.

And there is not any ring of truth, just the whiff of ka apaz making up stuff for the gullible.

I found the year to be 1 BC from the tenth paragraph of http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm titled “Panambitan” (“Pleading”). So Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC (Gregorian calendar) equivalent to Av 30, 3760 in the Jewish calendar. I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible. So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God. I used also other sources like Stellafane moon phase calculator, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, calendar conversions by Alan Corre and by Timothy Forsythe.

You made some stuff up. Why should anybody believe you?

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then. From him, I learned that the Israelites were using NOT a lunisolar calendar when they departed Egypt. The Israelites were using a purely lunar calendar. Try using a lunisolar calendar in the determination of the number of years from the fall of Jerusalem to Romans, the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, King David, and Melchizedek, and I believe that various events will not fit in place.

Big bag of claims, yet no evidence. Provide evidence, or forever be regarded as a fringe case.

 

[Akhenaten]

And what does Flavius Josephus have to say about the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus?

What does any primary source other than the Bible say about it?

And please try to remember that the silly old bat whom you claim is some kind of holy spook isn't any kind of source at all, let alone a primary one.

@Akhenaten, #163

The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you.

This is naught but a variation on "the voices in my head told me".

He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not.

For a value of checking out that includes making up a load of codswallop about calendars and maintaining the charade that it supports your fantasy no matter how many people who know more about it than yourself tell you how absurd it is.

I found the year to be 1 BC from the tenth paragraph of http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm titled “Panambitan” (“Pleading”).

You found confirmation of your ludicrous theory on your own web site?

What are the chances of that?

So Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC (Gregorian calendar) equivalent to Av 30, 3760 in the Jewish calendar.

What do you mean, "so"?

The use of the word 'so' in a case like this is meant to indicate that what follows is a logical conclusion drawn from the exposition which preceded it. Using it after claiming that some conniving old crone mumbled something to you and an assertion that your own calendrical mumbo-jumbo verified it is not at all the same thing.

In other words, you have no evidence that the alleged Jesus even existed, let alone evidence for the date and method of his alleged execution.

I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible.

Oh goody. Another one of 'them'.

So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God.

And I'll bet you know it's the only true god because the bible says so.

I used also other sources like Stellafane moon phase calculator, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, calendar conversions by Alan Corre and by Timothy Forsythe.

Please provide links to the places where these documents refer to the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus.

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian.

You don't say.

So it was fresh to him what happened then.

Oh really? And where exactly was he when this alleged crucifixion was taking place?

Perhaps you could post his eye witness account of it for us, just as I asked you to do in the post to which you're pretending to respond.

From him, I learned that the Israelites were using NOT a lunisolar calendar when they departed Egypt.

They weren't using any kind of calendar when they left Egypt because they were never there.

Next thing you'll be telling us is that they used the tide charts in Poor Richards Almanac to plan their hike across the Red Sea, will you?

The Israelites were using a purely lunar calendar. Try using a lunisolar calendar in the determination of the number of years from the fall of Jerusalem to Romans, the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, King David, and Melchizedek, and I believe that various events will not fit in place.

What does this gobbledigook have to do with the questions you're supposed to be answering here?

You originally stated that you used Josephus Flavius to confirm your theory about the date on which the alleged Jesus was crucified and I want to know what Josephus Flavius actually had to say about the event.

You really should stop reposting this pathetic drivel about spooks and calendars as a response to every question you're asked.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible. So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God.

waw, talk about circular reasoning

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then.

and now josephus. he allegedly saw the christ himself but didn't care to write more than a simple phrase about him. only using superlatives. yeah logic, fake never comes to mind. he probably talks more about his own bakeress...

 

[tsig]

@Akhenaten, #163

The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you. He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not.

I found the year to be 1 BC from the tenth paragraph of http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm titled “Panambitan” (“Pleading”). So Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC (Gregorian calendar) equivalent to Av 30, 3760 in the Jewish calendar. I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible. So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God. I used also other sources like Stellafane moon phase calculator, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, calendar conversions by Alan Corre and by Timothy Forsythe.

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then. From him, I learned that the Israelites were using NOT a lunisolar calendar when they departed Egypt. The Israelites were using a purely lunar calendar. Try using a lunisolar calendar in the determination of the number of years from the fall of Jerusalem to Romans, the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, King David, and Melchizedek, and I believe that various events will not fit in place.

Yes, I remember the 1890's like it was just yesterday.

 

[Meadmaker]

@Akhenaten, #163

The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you. He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not.

I found the year to be 1 BC from the tenth paragraph of http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm titled “Panambitan” (“Pleading”). So Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC (Gregorian calendar) equivalent to Av 30, 3760 in the Jewish calendar. I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible. So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God. I used also other sources like Stellafane moon phase calculator, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, calendar conversions by Alan Corre and by Timothy Forsythe.

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then. From him, I learned that the Israelites were using NOT a lunisolar calendar when they departed Egypt. The Israelites were using a purely lunar calendar. Try using a lunisolar calendar in the determination of the number of years from the fall of Jerusalem to Romans, the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, King David, and Melchizedek, and I believe that various events will not fit in place.

So, the Jews were using a purely lunar calendar when they departed Egypt, and presumably, then, when Leviticus was written and the holidays established. According to Leviticus, there are six months between Passover and Sukkoth.

There's really no way around it, at least without discarding Leviticus, but the one true God who provided that Bible might get cranky if you do that sort of thing.

 

[devnull]

PC, please provide evidence that the jews were ever in Egypt at all!

 

[Astreja]

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then.

No, Aristeo, it was not 'fresh to him' because he was not there and he never saw it. He is not a primary source. Period.

 

[pakeha]

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The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you. He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not. ..
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PC, I'd have thought even the most die-hard defendor of this medium's act would have been daunted by the utter failure of the prediction of the beginning of WWIII.
Or shamed by their utter failure to put together a viable protocol for the MDC.
Or silenced by the reactions to that ridiculous melange of stories about rusty nails floating to Paris, a golem adopted by Tiberius and a grave-robbing giantess.

But no.
We on a new thread now, about the crucifixion of Jesus.
And your calandar.

Have you presented it to any Jewish authorities yet?
I'm sure there must be some university in Israel that would be delighted to go over your calculations.
How about this one:
http://www.tau.ac.il/exact_sciences/site/content/aboutthefaculty6.shtml

 

[Craig B]

PC, please provide evidence that the jews were ever in Egypt at all!

And once he proves that, if he can, let him tell us how he knows what calendar the Israelites (there were no "Jews" until the establishment of "Judaea") were using at the time!

 

[Recovering Agnostic]

No, Aristeo, it was not 'fresh to him' because he was not there and he never saw it. He is not a primary source. Period.

Which is true in any case, since Flavius Josephus is reliably dated to have been born in 37AD, but doubly so if you accept PC's word that Jesus was crucified in 1BC. I love the smell of self-defeating arguments in the morning...

 

[Upchurch]

On a somewhat related topic...

A friend of mine revealed unto me that the Hogwarts Express leaves every year on September 1. Through a very thorough reading of the Harry Potter books, I was able to determine that they support this revelation. Thus, it has been proven to be true.

(Also, it's my birthday. JK works in mysterious ways.)

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Significance of the nailing and death of Jesus Christ on the cross

The following is the English translation of http://aristean.org/transcript001.htm of what the spirit of Ama said regarding the significance of the nailing and death of Jesus Christ on the cross. The audio (in Filipino) is at http://aristean.org/e01b-pah3.mp3 .

“The very first, unique answer there [cross of suffering] is to bear the sufferings. Bear the sufferings. Don’t let the cross fall down. How do you let the cross of suffering to fall down? Don’t mind it. Don’t attend to it and consider that there is no suffering. These are ways of letting the cross falls down and not the place of suffering. Is that the way how we should do it? No.

“Pray and ask God to remove this suffering and solve the hardship that prevents of what should be our happiness.

“Therefore, Jesus is showing and showed to mankind how He loved them.

“Jesus showed that mankind should bear sufferings.

“Jesus showed how to bear sufferings.

“Jesus showed how important every soul of man is. Because if the soul is not important, He would not have accepted to be crucified.

“Why is it that through His acceptance of being crucified, He was able to explain how important the soul of a person is?

“Because of man’s sins, because of man’s sins that he could not avoid, Jesus bore the suffering.
He showed to mankind that He is God who loved mankind by being a human being like us. He showed that this is what you should do. That is what that means. This is what you should do. Bear the suffering.

“That is why He showed how He bore being scourged by the whip.

“He showed how He allowed being crucified.

“He showed that He died.

“But He showed also that He came back to life after He died.

“That is why Jesus allowed to be crucified to show how much man has to bear sufferings. That is why Jesus Christ received those nails until He died. Likewise, man should bear sufferings until his death. Jesus also showed that He resurrected. Likewise, that is what will happen to man if man bears the suffering, and bears the hardship until he dies, this man will live again to be with God.”

 

[Agatha]

What does that have to do with the evidence that you've been asked to provide?

You are the one making statements about calendars and the crucifixion of your homeboy, it's your burden of proof.

 

[Akhenaten]

The following is the English translation of

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No it's not. It's gibbertastic nonsense.

Where are the answers to the questions you've been asked?

 

[pakeha]

The following is the English translation of http://aristean.org/transcript001.htm of what the spirit of Ama said regarding the significance of the nailing and death of Jesus Christ on the cross. ...

Wait a mo, PC.
Doesn't your medium claim to channel the spirit of Jesus himself?
Why is this transcript talking of Jesus in the third person?

 

[godless dave]

Why would you care what a demonstrably false prophet says about anything?

 

[pakeha]

Because it's more amusing than reading 9/11 conspiracy theories?

 

[Wolrab]

I figured out on another thread (that will never die) when Jesus was crucified.

Who were these risen saints? The prophets? Did the 500 year old corpse of Ezekiel get up and walk around Jerusalem? Moses? Abraham? Adam?
How can you tell that a corpse that has been rotting for years, decades, centuries, or millennium is a saint? Did they talk? Did they pick up their hyoid bone, borrow some pitch from Noah and glue it in place?

You would think more than eight people out of 20,000 would notice skeletons walking around the city. Did these corpses hide if any Romans were around? I really, really want to know the answers.

ETA: I figured it out! Peace crusader has the date of the resurrection wrong (hard to believe, eh?), Jesus didn't come back on Easter Sunday, it must have been Halloween! Not just ant Halloween, one of those that occurs on a Sunday so the whole weekend is a party. If everyone was out partying from Friday after work, they wouldn't notice the ground shaking or darkness at the wrong time. The Temple priests would chalk up the rent veil to a prank. People walking by cemeteries would think the saints hanging out in their graves were just cool decorations and when the saints started walking around on Halloween Sunday, everyone thought they were trick-or-treaters. Mystery solved!

I have come up with some more proofs since then.
The Shroud of Turin wasn't Jesus' burial shroud, it was his lame costume. The coins on the eyes are crude patches to close up the eye holes.

The risen saints were waiting for All Saints Day.

It's true.

It was 5 or 6 AD.
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=6&country=23

It's truer.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, 1 BC. The equivalent date of this in the Jewish calendar is Av 30, 3760. We will see that the Jewish calendar was adopted from the Babylonian calendar during the exile of the Jews to Babylon. What do you think was the calendar that the Israelites were using from their departure from Egypt?

This came from Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 15, page 465, column 2:

“After the conquest of Jerusalem (587 BC), the Babylonians introduced their cyclic calendar and the reckoning of their regnal years from Nisanu 1, about the spring equinox. The Jews now had a finite calendar with a New Year’s day, they adopted the Babylonian month names, which they continue to use. From 587 BC until AD 70, the Jewish civil year was Babylonian, except for the period of Alexander the Great and the Ptolemies (322-200 BC), when the Macedonian calendar was used.”

The Babylonian and the Jewish month names and the equivalent month in the Gregorian calendar:

Babylonian calendar Jewish calendar Gregorian calendar
Nisanu Nisan March-April
Ayaru Iyyar April-May
Simanu Sivan May-June
Du’uzu Tammuz June-July
Abu Av July-August
Ululu Elul August-September
Tashritu Tishri September-October
Arakhsamna Heshvan October-November
Kislimu Kislev November-December
Tebetu Tevet December-January
Shabatu Shevat January-February
Adaru Adar February-March

Intercalation
Babylonian calendar
“The month Adaru II was intercalated six times within the 19-year cycle but never in the year that was 17th of the cycle, when Ululu II was inserted.”

Jewish calendar
The month of Adar II or Adar Sheni was intercalated seven times on the third, sixth, eighth, eleventh, fourteenth, seventeenth, nineteenth years in the 19-year Metonic cycle.


“The Jewish adoption of Babylonian calendar customs dates from the period of the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BC.”

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Wait a mo, PC.
Doesn't your medium claim to channel the spirit of Jesus himself?
Why is this transcript talking of Jesus in the third person?

@pakeha, #195

You are correct, pakeha. The body of Ka Apaz is used by the spirit of Jesus in talking to the people. I have said that the spirit of Jesus, who we address as Ama, hints that He is Jesus. He does not say, ‘I am Jesus. Believe me.’ That is why it took me eleven years (1983-1994) of doubting before I believed that He is Jesus Christ.

Let me add to what I said before why in 1994, I believed that He must be Jesus. In 1992, the Aristean calendar was inspired to me. In 1993, I realized that my mother Gregoria is related to the calendar we presently use. In 1994, I realized that the mother of my mother, i.e. my maternal grandmother, Julita, is also related to the calendar. The predecessor of the present calendar is the Julian calendar. Was I already born to name my grandmother and mother such names? And now, I still am not sure when the Aristean calendar would be implemented.

As I said, the spirit of Ama revealed to old members the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus. I first heard these in 1983 but only started to check if there is any ring of truth in them in 1999.