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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
And people are getting multiple MMR shots? Incredible.
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The MMR Jabs that:
a) Were only claimed to be harmful by a dispicable doctor who harmed children and lied to try and induce profit for the competing vaccine he patented.
b) Have been proven safe by multiple studies in this thread.
c) Are effective at preventing three diseases with minimal risk of side effects.

Not all that amazing. You are wrong (not amazing either).
 
Clayton Moore said:
Email from Experimental Vaccines


Pandemrix Vaccine Linked To Narcolepsy
by EVaccines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7MRJ9aYZM4



2009? And people are getting multiple MMR shots? Incredible.
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Clayton, the issues with Pandemrix are irrelevant to MMR. Just out of interest, let's take a look at how concerns with vaccines have been dealt with.

Pandemrix: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pandemrix narcolepsy Doctors, scientists, and regulators reported on the concern that Pandemrix was linked to narcolepsy in young people.

EMA, on a precautionary basis, recommended restricting use of Pandemrix in persons under 20 years of age - stating that that "in persons under 20 years of age Pandemrix may only be used if the recommended seasonal trivalent influenza vaccine is not available and if immunisation against H1N1 is still needed". http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/t...ng/narcolepsy_statement_Jul2011/en/index.html

The Irish health service noted that there had been 30 million doses of the vaccine administered and 300 cases of narcolepsy reported in those vaccinated. They stopped recommending the vaccine in January 2011 and Doctors were requested to return all stocks of Pandemrix for disposal. http://www.immunisation.ie/en/AdultImmunisation/FluVaccination/FAQ/

So, in the case of Pandemrix, concerns were raised, these concerns were taken seriously and investigated. The investigations led to restriction of the use of the vaccine and in some cases all stocks were ordered to be returned and disposed of.

In the case of MMR, concerns were raised, these concerns were taken seriously and investigated. The investigations found that the concerns were baseless and the vaccine was not ordered to be restricted, returned, or disposed of. http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/mmr/mmr_autism/en/ & http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Safetyinform...nandadvice/Vaccinesafety/MMRvaccine/index.htm

So, when a vaccine is thought to be problematic the authorities take action to restrict its use. When concerns are found to be baseless no action is taken. Sounds pretty sensible to me.

I'm not sure what you thought the issues with Pandemrix could prove about the safety of a completely different vaccine, but thank you for bringing it up. Comparing the situation regarding Pandemrix with that regarding MMR has been interesting.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Email from Experimental Vaccines

Pandemrix Vaccine Linked To Narcolepsy
by EVaccines

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2009? And people are getting multiple MMR shots? Incredible.
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Ford Pintos frequently blew up when rear ended.

And people are still driving Toyota Corollas? Incwedible!!
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-questions-about-steroid-injections/1623055/

The people who inject concoctions into people haven't any way of knowing the purity and/or safety of what they are injecting.
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Right Clayton, pharma just dumps a bunch of stuff in a cauldron and keeps its fingers crossed. Ask yourself how contamination of of the injections was found in the first place.

The above verifies that medical science has "a that should do it" vaccine policy. How many people have been just slightly diminished by vaccines?

If death, serious disability and narcolepsy are known reactions caused by vaccines it's obvious there are other serious and less serious reactions caused by vaccines.
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"That should do it"? Says you Clayton but not actual scientists. It is in everyones' best interest to try and elucidate a mechanism if the vaccine is actually a causative factor. Now ask yourself this; if the association between narcolepsy and Pandemrix can be detected, a vaccine given to orders of magnitude fewer people who then exhibit a disorder that is quite uncommon, how is it that no one can find any association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism? When those vaccines number in the several millions and there are so many more autists.

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Estellea said:
Right Clayton, pharma just dumps a bunch of stuff in a cauldron and keeps its fingers crossed. Ask yourself how contamination of of the injections was found in the first place.



"That should do it"? Says you Clayton but not actual scientists. It is in everyones' best interest to try and elucidate a mechanism if the vaccine is actually a causative factor. Now ask yourself this; if the association between narcolepsy and Pandemrix can be detected, a vaccine given to orders of magnitude fewer people who then exhibit a disorder that is quite uncommon, how is it that no one can find any association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism? When those vaccines number in the several millions and there are so many more autists.

Este
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Plenty of medical people have determined an association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism.

1 out 100 children are stricken with autism. That's many millions of children world wide stricken with autism and all world's medical gurus can't figure out why.

The MSM is ignoring both.
 
I have to confess that

I got my flu shot yesterday. Yes, I allowed someone I'd never met before to inject a, well, a chemical into my body.

Does this mean that now my kids will all be veterans?

Please don't be too angry with me, Clayton.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Plenty of medical people have determined an association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism.

1 out 100 children are stricken with autism. That's many millions of children world wide stricken with autism and all world's medical gurus can't figure out why.

The MSM is ignoring both.
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Are you still calling my doctor a liar?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Plenty of medical people have determined an association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism.

1 out 100 children are stricken with autism. That's many millions of children world wide stricken with autism and all world's medical gurus can't figure out why.

The MSM is ignoring both.
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lol

No, medical people haven't "determined an association between MMR and autism, thimerosal and autism or the number of vaccines given and autism". One or two have suggested an association but that's quite a different thing. See here for actual evidence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/


What you describe as "all the world's medical gurus" might not have figured out what causes autism, but they at least have some knowledge of the issue. But you probably don't want to hear about that. Because things like genetic factors and the association with paternal age don't fit in with your views, and nor does the truth about vaccination not being found to be associated with autism.


Does MSM mean the mainstream media? Am I right in thinking that you are claiming that the mainstream media is ignoring those claims? What a laughable suggestion. There's a reason Ben Goldacre called it the media's MMR hoax: http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax/
 
It sure is strange how the medical community is all in on the conspiracy while simultaneously doing research to disprove it.
 
dafydd said:
Are you still calling my doctor a liar?
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Rocking the boat has been the reason for the stagnation of knowledge as long as man has been "civilized." Progress and leeches have been fought tooth and nail forever.

Doctor says FLU VACCINE will cause 60,000 deaths in France alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAK_6iZbH0
"A vaccine is being developed in conditions of amateurism such as I have never seen. Lets take the pessimistic hypothesis: one death among every 1000 patients. There are plans to vaccinate 60 million people, and you so you already have 60,000 deaths, and this time, young people, children, pregnant women.
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Flu Vaccine Exposed: Think Twice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
NR=1&v=zCBlxqmOMKM&feature=endscreen


Note 7 minutes and 30 seconds in.


The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE.

Let's see. Big pharma and the mainstream media insist vaccines are absolutely safe but close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group. They have convinced much of the American public that questioning the safety of vaccines is criminal.

Yet commercial after commercial airs up front and personal that if you've taken DRUG X, Y, or Z contact my law firm. Now you know those drugs, I think ZOLOFT is the star of the newer ripe for litigation drugs, were supposed to be tested with a control group! What happened.

And the media pretty much crucifies anyone who dares suggest a link between autism and vaccines. Why would the media trust and speak out for an industry/community with such a poor drug testing track record?
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Mods.

This thread is about the covering up of the danger of vaccines. Not just the connection of vaccines and autism.
 
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