The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[PeaceCrusader]

20121002.1810

Jesus Christ was crucified and died around Passover some 2000 years ago.

A spirit, a holy spirit, who we (plural), listeners, call Ama (Filipino word for God the Father when capitalized) revealed that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I first heard this date in 1983 together with Jesus’ birth on May 23. In 1999, I checked if there is any ring of truth in the August 17 date. After four years of study, I believe I have proven that the date is correct. The results of my study are presented at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm for scrutiny.

 

[Pixel42]

Your "reasoning" has already been utterly demolished in two other threads. You have failed to respond to the arguments that have been put to you in those threads, and have given no reason for anyone to think you are ever going to do so, so why start another one about this ridiculous claim?

 

[devnull]

You cant even show with any level of confidence that Jesus *even existed*. Talking about the date of his supposed birth or dead is folly.

 

[Multivac]

With respect, your research proves nothing. Why are you still listening to Ama when her prophecies have already been proven to be untrue? According to Ama, WW3 was supposed to have started before the 2012 Olympic games in London but, as you may have noticed, there were no nuclear missiles launched.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

You cant even show with any level of confidence that Jesus *even existed*. Talking about the date of his supposed birth or dead is folly.

20121002.1855

@devnull, #3

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

I remember, one forumer by the name of Foolmewunz, I think, believes that Jesus existed. Please ask him why he thinks so.

 

[Naddig74]

1234 (come on baby, say you love me) 567 times.

Crucifixion's a doddle.

 

[Agatha]

20121002.1855

@devnull, #3

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

I remember, one forumer by the name of Foolmewunz, I think, believes that Jesus existed. Please ask him why he thinks so.

The seven books of the Harry Potter series mention King's Cross station, Tottenham Court Road, the Forest of Dean, Romania, London, Surrey, Nicholas Flamel, Agrippa, Ptolemy and Paracelsus (to name but a few). But that does not mean that the Harry Potter stories are true.

'Every Man For Himself' by Beryl Bainbridge mentions the Titanic, Southampton, Queenstown, Captain Smith, Colonel Gracie, John Jacob Astor, Lady Duff Gordon, Officer Lightoller and the Carpathia (again to name but a few). But the story contained within this book of Morgan, Wallis and Scurra is fiction, even though the backdrop to the story, the sinking of the Titanic, is fact.

Just because the Bible mentions some real people and real places does not mean that the stories contained within it are factual. As I have demonstrated, setting fictional stories against a factual background is a common literary device.

Your 'proof' of the dates of the birth and death of Jesus, even if he existed, are based on the false contention that the Jewish calendar prior to the 4th century was purely lunar. You fail to account for the intercalary month which was inserted as necessary so that Passover remained in spring. No amount of appealing to fig trees or linen cloths is going to change that you are quite simply wrong.

 

[Pixel42]

Your 'proof' of the dates of the birth and death of Jesus, even if he existed, are based on the false contention that the Jewish calendar prior to the 4th century was purely lunar. You fail to account for the intercalary month which was inserted as necessary so that Passover remained in spring.

Peace Crusader: this has been pointed out to you numerous times. Are you going to address it this time, or simply post the same refuted nonsense over and over again like on every previous occasion?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

The seven books of the Harry Potter series...

Harry Potter's not a real person?

Riight. Next you'll be telling us that Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson were just fictional characters, King Aurthur and the Knights of the Round Table are a myth, and The Iliad is not historically accurate.

But you can't fool me. I know they were all real, because books never lie!

 

[Craig B]

... Next you'll be telling us that Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson were just fictional characters, King Aurthur and the Knights of the Round Table are a myth, and The Iliad is not historically accurate.

But you can't fool me. I know they were all real, because books never lie!

Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?

 

[catsmate]

20121002.1810

Jesus Christ was crucified and died around Passover some 2000 years ago.

A spirit, a holy spirit, who we (plural), listeners, call Ama (Filipino word for God the Father when capitalized) revealed that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I first heard this date in 1983 together with Jesus’ birth on May 23. In 1999, I checked if there is any ring of truth in the August 17 date. After four years of study, I believe I have proven that the date is correct. The results of my study are presented at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm for scrutiny.

We await your presentation of actual evidence for these assertions. Your unsupported (and frequently factually wrong) opinion is worthless.
Your bible is full of contradictions, errors and nonsense.

 

[MRC_Hans]

20121002.1855

@devnull, #3

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

That is why we call them historical figures: They are mentioned by independent sources. How can the NT mention them? Because it is written by their temporaries. It is like if you mention president Obama.

I remember, one forumer by the name of Foolmewunz, I think, believes that Jesus existed. Please ask him why he thinks so.

The historical Jesus^*) is possible, but speculative.

Hans

*) A preacher named Jesus, working in Palestine in the beginning of the 1st century.

 

[pakeha]

Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?

I confess that after viewing the Mildenhall Treasure during my first visit to London I went directly to Baker Street.

20121002.1810

Jesus Christ was crucified and died around Passover some 2000 years ago.

A spirit, a holy spirit, who we (plural), listeners, call Ama (Filipino word for God the Father when capitalized) revealed that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I first heard this date in 1983 together with Jesus’ birth on May 23. In 1999, I checked if there is any ring of truth in the August 17 date. After four years of study, I believe I have proven that the date is correct. The results of my study are presented at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm for scrutiny.

Hey, it's great to see you starting a new thread, PC.
Granted, it's rather similar to this thread you started in 2007, but never mind!

In light of your claim, how reliable do you think the NT is as a source of historical information, PC?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

With respect, your research proves nothing. Why are you still listening to Ama when her prophecies have already been proven to be untrue? According to Ama, WW3 was supposed to have started before the 2012 Olympic games in London but, as you may have noticed, there were no nuclear missiles launched.

20121002.2115

@Mutivac, #4

You think that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama. FYI, they are two separate distinct entities. Ama is a spirit who we cannot see or touch. He appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to communicate to people.

True, the prophesied WW3 did not start before or during the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So the prophecy failed. But I think it has been moved. I don’t know when it will happen. I believe, it will be “in His time”, in God’s time. It is like the Aristean calendar.

Ama must have revealed the crucifixion date of August 17 earlier than 1983. No one checked it until 1999 when I embarked on checking the date. I prepared the results of the study in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm in 2003. Did you know that even after 2003, I still find proofs, as recently as a few weeks ago?

 

[MRC_Hans]

You think that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama.

Deliberately or not, but yes.

FYI, they are two separate distinct entities.

How can you know?

Ama is a spirit who we cannot see or touch.

Then how can you know it exists?

He appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to communicate to people.

How do you know?

True, the prophesied WW3 did not start before or during the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So the prophecy failed.

An honest admission (unlike certain others), respected.

But I think it has been moved. I don’t know when it will happen. I believe, it will be “in His time”, in God’s time. It is like the Aristean calendar.

Just stick to "it failed".

I prepared the results of the study in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm in 2003. Did you know that even after 2003, I still find proofs, as recently as a few weeks ago?

Really? What proof?

Hans

 

[Pixel42]

You think that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama. FYI, they are two separate distinct entities.

You think Ka Apaz and Ama are two separate entities. FYI it's one person - a fraud and false prophet - pretending to channel a spirit.

I prepared the results of the study in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm in 2003.

Results which were utterly demolished in earlier threads.

Did you know that even after 2003, I still find proofs, as recently as a few weeks ago?

You haven't yet produced a single "proof" that stands up to even the most cursory investigation.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

That is why we call them historical figures: They are mentioned by independent sources. How can the NT mention them? Because it is written by their temporaries. It is like if you mention president Obama.


The historical Jesus^*) is possible, but speculative.

Hans

*) A preacher named Jesus, working in Palestine in the beginning of the 1st century.

20121002.2225

@MRC Hans, #12

How did you know that there was a “preacher named Jesus, working in Palestine in the beginning of the 1st century”? Are you referring to Jesus Christ?

FYI, Jesus Christ died on August 17, 1 BC. So, that preacher you are referring to must not be Jesus Christ.

 

[Lucian]

Harry Potter's not a real person?

Riight. Next you'll be telling us that Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson were just fictional characters, King Aurthur and the Knights of the Round Table are a myth, and The Iliad is not historically accurate.

But you can't fool me. I know they were all real, because books never lie!

Well, a friend of mine had a student who claimed to be (and genuinely believed himself to be) a descendant of Sherlock Holmes. And the kid's last name was Holmes, so it must be true!

 

[MRC_Hans]

How did you know that there was a “preacher named Jesus, working in Palestine in the beginning of the 1st century”? Are you referring to Jesus Christ?

I didn't say I know. I say it is possible. Yes, he would be the background for the legend about Jesus Christ.

FYI, Jesus Christ died on August 17, 1 BC. So, that preacher you are referring to must not be Jesus Christ.

FYI, you have no idea when, or even if, Jesus Christ lived.

Hans

 

[pakeha]

^
I'm not surprised.
After all, in Tar Trek VI mr Spock makes the same claim.

...Ama is a spirit who we cannot see or touch. He appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to communicate to people. ...

What would be convincing evidence your medium is a fake?

...FYI, Jesus Christ died on August 17, 1 BC. So, that preacher you are referring to must not be Jesus Christ.

By that reasoning, the Pontius Pilate mentioned in history isn't the Pontius Pilate of your crucifixion story.