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jargon buster said:
Maybe this is what Menard meant when he said freemanism was growing "exponentially"
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Too bad that they forgot (or maybe never learned) that lifeforms which grow exponentially tend to end up destroying their own environment, and end up dying off as a result.

They flourished in an environment where judges and lawyers didn't know who they were, or what they were trying to do, but now, they've attracted far too much attention, and the nutbag-friendly environment they've become used to is about to undergo a massive shift.
 
As an aside, I am amused to see a couple of cases cited in the judgment that refer to my old friends, Michael Baldasaro and Walter Tucker of Church of the Universe fame. Walter died about 5 months ago, but these two are/were very well known in the Ontario courts. I had a case a few years ago in which they were suing a police department that I represented, claiming Charter infringements after they had sold church "memberships" and marijuana to undercover officers. Their action was dismissed after they were convicted of the related criminal charges and both went to jail (again), so I didn't have the pleasure of going to trial on that one, unfortunately.

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They flourished in an environment where judges and lawyers didn't know who they were, or what they were trying to do, but now, they've attracted far too much attention, and the nutbag-friendly environment they've become used to is about to undergo a massive shift.
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Which is exactly why I started this thread in the first place, it was to give Menard the opportunity to gain a little fame, his ego could never allow him to realise he was starting on his road to his own demise.
 
jargon buster said:
Which is exactly why I started this thread in the first place, it was to give Menard the opportunity to gain a little fame, his ego could never allow him to realise he was starting on his road to his own demise.
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Wrong thread! ;)
 
Excellent - thanks for posting the link.

I'm about half way through and recognize the verbiage used by the guy that sued in small claims over his arrest.
 
Organized Pseudolegal Commerical Argument litigants

Saw this today, and though it worth posting, a judge's thorough debunking of the FOTL and similar schemes. The thread title refers to the phrase he uses to describe the various individuals/groups involved.

There's a PDF on this site of the judgment, less than 200 pages, so a little night-reading.

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2012/0...udolegal-nonsense-canadian-judge-fights-back/
 
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Woot! Delicious reading. :D

They'll continue to deny reality, but it will continue to get harder.

Rolfe.
 
I get the faint impression that the judge has grown a tad impatient with these OPCA folks.

This is the best thing I've seen in a long while. I believe it will be a watershed event, like the Dover decision was for ID and (of all things) that South Park episode was to 9/11 Truthers. Hard-core believers and the hopelessly gullible may still comprise a small core of followers, but any reasonable and informed person who's aware of this decision will have a difficult time given FOTL cocepts any further credibility. FOTL was always nonsense of course, but now the explanation for why it's nonsense has been definitively and thoroughly articulated, in a way that's easily accessible. Even though the decision is long, it's written in a way that provides a wealth of pithy statements and sound bites that anyone can understand and use to counter FOTL arguments, as this thread has shown.

Wonderful -- and I hope all parties involved step forward to receive their well-deserved accolades.
 
I have had a beautiful response in an e-mail from Menard after I sent him a link to this thread and the case record.
His response was....wait for it........
The fact that a Judge would go to so much trouble to de-bunk and put to bed these ideas was due to the fact that "they" are scared.
Rob sees this ruling as validation of his ideas and theories. :covereyes
 
jargon buster said:
I have had a beautiful response in an e-mail from Menard after I sent him a link to this thread and the case record.
His response was....wait for it........
The fact that a Judge would go to so much trouble to de-bunk and put to bed these ideas was due to the fact that "they" are scared.
Rob sees this ruling as validation of his ideas and theories. :covereyes
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Not sure how one could expect anything less from Mr. Menard. I've also already read several responses from the FMOTL community distinguishing this decision on the grounds that Mr. Meads, the Respondent, had some 22 years ago applied for and received a marriage license from the state, and thereby acquiesced to its jurisdiction (granting Rooke J.A. the authority to write this decision).

As usual, the people most in need of reading and understanding this decision the most are the ones it will never reach. Sad.

That said, it was a very satisfying read for me personally.
 
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