BUT 93 wasn't hijacked until AFTER 9:27 [911 report 1/27/04]
What's your theory about 9/11?
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BUT 93 wasn't hijacked until AFTER 9:27 [911 report 1/27/04]
UAL-93, Hijacked, NOT, pilots attacked at 1328:16, this is the exact time, not hearsay, not some mistake from some log. BTW, the hijackings were fake, the planes were stolen and used as weapons. Murder.
I got the real source - ATC tapes. Darn, you use hearsay, the 911 report, I use the facts. The General's junk is hearsay, your stuff is hearsay. Better get some original sources before you make up nonsense.
What tower were they talking to? Good luck.
Means the General was wrong. You are using a mistake as your proof of foreknowledge of 911? How illogical. You are using errors as your theory proof - a theory you can't explain.
I have to guess you think the military knew about 911 before it happened. The old stand-down lies made up by nuts in 911 truth.
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It's interesting how the truthers insist a person's extemporaneous recollection after the fact must be more accurate than the documentary evidence. And that while everyone must have photographic memories and recollect every detail with precision, they must also occasionally inject a random confession into their statements. Just to keep things interesting.
Strange that.
CT 101. Any inconsistency (seen from hindsight) is evidence of the conspiracy. No need to explain why or how.
Unlike any other organization we have encountered in our collective lives, "Teh Illuminati" and their minions are infallible, except when they randomly interject clues for no explainable reason at all...
Why is it all CT sound like they are run by The Joker or Lex Luthor? Complete with hidden clues and admissions of guilt?
There was an issue of the Batman comics when the Joker tried committing a crime without clues or any sort of clown theme. Fate conspired to make it look like a joke anyway. Another time, Batman and Robin suddenly realized that they were dealing with jokes, not Riddles, and they were actually on the trail of the Joker, not the Riddler. And another one where the Riddler tried not leaving clues, but Batman tracked him down because he was doing it subconsciously.
The Conspirators often display almost exactly the same type of logic.
Lex Luthor, by contrast, is extremely competent. He would never try for some sort of double-blind reverse double-reachround false flag operation. Heck, the man was President for a while.
The Conspirators often display almost exactly the same type of logic.
Lex Luthor, by contrast, is extremely competent. He would never try for some sort of double-blind reverse double-reachround false flag operation. Heck, the man was President for a while.
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Cleveland Center according to the 911 Commission report.
I brought my theory here to be vetted by the best. So,far I feel as is it's been nit-picked but NOT fatally so. Considering the number of claims I've made,I'm actually surprised that so few of them have been directly questioned. One thing that has surprised me is the number of people who immediately questioned the thought that the Otis pilots might have thought there were being scrambled as part of a drill. I quoted Maj Nasypany from Vanity Fair,"the hijacking not supposed to be for another hour" & Gen. Arnold saying the pilot (Duffy) had learned there was a "hijacking in the system" from a telephone conversation. While neither of those quite prove the pilots were expecting to be scrambled as part of the mornings scheduled exercise,I'd like an innocent explanation for Col. Marr telling the 911 Commission that both the Otis & Langley fighters were loaded with more fuel & weapons because of the drill. Why,on earth, would alert status fighters be loaded with more weapons & fuel because of a drill in which they are NOT suppose to participate?
Why do you call ARTCC, tower? Big error. Reflects your knowledge of flying and ATC procedures, and the military. A big reason why your statements are stings of nonsense.
Your theory is nonsense, made up of quote-mined junk and strung together with your lack of knowledge.
Why is a SOF flying on 911 part of your nonsense.
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LSSBB
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Was there a range activated for the use of live weapons for that drill? And why do you need to be provided an innocent explanation? Are you a judge?
None of your claims make sense, they are not rational.
Please list your claims, number them, and you will find you have nothing.
... you quote mine and have delusions of conspiracy. I was on active duty on 911. Do you hate all the military? No stand-down, and officers in the USAF think for themselves, they would not stand-down if they knew of an attack. This is why the SOF took to the air, and others showed up without weapons in the air. Your have no practical knowledge on this issue, no wonder you theory is literally half-baked.
work on reading comprehension, and stop deciding 911 was an inside job before you figure out what happened.
Extra fuel and weapons for the Bear traffic. How did you miss this? Took 2 seconds to find.
The alert birds are not in drills, their mission is real. Their mission is to intercept threats coming into the country, not intercepting domestic hijacking aircraft over the USA. Your theory is BS.
? Answered? You can't defend your claims, you can't explain why a SOF flying would be in your fantasy. Truthfully, you have not defined a theory. Is your theory suppose to look like disjointed statements which lead to no conclusions?
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Would you please use your head for something other than a hat rack? The alert aircraft at Otis and Langley were not part of the “drill”. Where are you getting your information from? Unless of course you are using statements out of context again.
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What theory?
I think we are all still waiting for a cohesive theory that relies on ALL of the evidence of what happened that morning, not a few scrambled tidbits you cherry picked out of the Commission report, some of which you admit you don't even comprehend.
What exactly is your theory? Tell us exactly what happened, minute by minute and why and don't leave anything out.
It's on page 8,but since people keep asking I'll post it again:
The 2 F15s out of Otis AFB were supposed to do a 'Patriot' fly over of the WTC a few minutes AFTER WTC2 was struck so that people could look up and say,"Just missed,if only they'd gotten here a few minutes sooner". They were scrambled perfectly to do it had the pilots followed protocol and flown SUBsonic. NEADS' leadership had ever reason to believe that they would since the pilots were to suppose to think it was only an earlier than expected start to the morning scheduled (expected) hijacking drill. What NEADS leadership didn't know was that the pilots had been tipped off it was 'real' by Boston Center ATC supervisor (Bueno) who had violated protocol and called Otis tower himself trying to scramble fighters.
Once they were scrambled the pilots flew,"full blower" (Supersonic) directly towards NYC. Until NEADS leadership noticed and quickly redirected them to military controlled airspace over the sea (Whiskey 105) and put in a holding pattern to wait for flight 175 to hit. They were in that pattern when WTC2 was struck at 9:03.
The 911 Commission covered it up by moving the dot (location of fighters at 9:03) on the map of the Otis fighters flight route from it's real location within the pattern to just before the pattern but that created a problem for anyone who bothered to crunch the numbers. Had the pilots flown the way they say they did,"In the air before the radar kicked in","full blower all the way" (8:52-9:03) then they would have been over NYC by 9:03 NOT 100 miles away as the Commission claims (Otis=153 miles from NYC).
I will further claim that the Otis F15s were only given enough fuel to do a 'patriotic' flyover of the WTC but not enough to to be a threat to the other hijacked planes.
Langley AFB is simply too close to Washington DC (6 minutes by F16) and they needed an excuse to send the Langley's F16s to the North East to allow Flight 77 to strike Washington from the South West. It was supposed to be Flight 93 but was 40 minutes delayed,so Boston Center's military liaison made up the false phantom 11 report to cover for the delayed 93 (they knew flight 11 had crashed 35 minutes before).
There was one problem though,if word of Flight 77 somehow got to the pilots they would then think there were 2 hijacked planes heading toward Washington DC at the same time from opposite directions. That would have them fly straight to Washington DC itself and in a position to stop Flight 77.
To prevent that from happening Langley's Supervisor of Flying Capt. Borgstrum (whose job it was to relay mission orders & communicate with civilian ATC-from whom he'd learn of Flight 77 and tip off the pilots) was ordered up in a third unarmed F16. With Borgstrum in the air and no one on the ground doing his job,NEADS leadership was able to ensure a SOP scramble would occur (requires fighters to fly 60 miles East over the Atlantic-Away from Washington DC).
After the SOP scramble the Langley F16s were then directed North East away from Washington DC until after they themselves had confirmed to NEADS that the Pentagon had been hit. They were NEVER direct to Washington DC until after NEADS leadership knew the attack had succeeded.
It appears Gen. Arnold forgot that things had gone according to the original plan and reverted back to it tell the Commission that Langley's F16s had been scrambled for flight 93 which hadn't even been hijacked yet when the scramble order was given (9:24). There you go,my theory.
Making the SOF (supervisor of flying - who is a squadron/wing pilot - and there are many SOFs) flying on 911 part of the "theory", makes the fantasy, dumber. Proves the "theory" is not based on knowledge of flying, USAF, and more.
Is this your best apology for the 19 terrorists? Blame the military with some "theory" which makes no sense?
Adding the SOF flying to your fantasy, makes your theory dumber than dirt.
Take out the SOF junk and your theory is bad fiction, reflective of someone who likes to quote-mine mistakes to form silly claims, and lack of knowledge on flying and the military. Why do you spit on the military, making up nonsense?
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TJM
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No need reading any further.
I've got nothing against the military. In fact,my theory exonerates all but the very TOP leadership. According to it the pilots are innocent,the people on NEADS operational floor are innocent,the people in NEADS battle Cab are innocent save one.
As for the SOF thing,here's what it's based on. 3 paragraphs if the mods will allow it. Debunk it & if your claims check out,I'll drop it from my theory:
"NEADS Calls Langley - Captain Craig Borgstrom is the operations manager of a detachment at Langley from the North Dakota Air National Guard’s 119th Fighter Wing. In the event of an order to scramble the unit’s two alert F-16s, he would serve as the supervisor of flying (SOF), responsible for informing the pilots about their mission. [Spencer, 2008, pp. 114, 116] The unit has just received the signal to put its alert jets on “battle stations,” with the pilots in the cockpits but the engines turned off (see (9:09 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Longman, 2002, pp. 64; Filson, 2003, pp. 55; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 24] After briefing one of the two alert pilots, Borgstrom is called by the crew chief to answer a phone call from someone at NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) who wants to speak to him. In an urgent voice, the caller asks Borgstrom, “How many airplanes can you get airborne?” Borgstrom answers, “I have two F-16s at battle stations right now,” but the caller snaps: “That’s not what I asked! How many total aircraft can you launch?” Although Borgstrom is not on alert duty, he is an F-16 pilot. He responds: “Well, the only other pilot here is me—I can fly. I can give you three!” The caller instructs him: “Suit up and go fly! We need all of you at battle stations!” [Longman, 2002, pp. 65; Christian Science Monitor, 4/16/2002; Spencer, 2008, pp. 118]
Third Pilot Means No Supervisor - According to author Lynn Spencer, this order “is almost unthinkable. If [Borgstrom] goes up, there will be no supervisor of flying. During a scramble, it is the SOF’s responsibility to monitor the jets—to work with local controllers to ensure priority handling and to make sure that the pilots are receiving lawful launch orders. The SOF stays in close communication with NEADS to get any and all information about the mission to pass on to his pilots, and assesses weather, airfield status, and spare alert aircraft status in case of an abort by one of the primary fighters. If Borgy flies, there not only will be no SOF, there will be no officer left at the detachment!”
Borgstrom Notifies Others, Checks with Commander - Borgstrom heads out to inform others of the instruction. He speaks to one of the alert pilots, Major Dean Eckmann, telling him, “They want us to launch all planes and all pilots if we get scrambled!” According to Spencer, this request “doesn’t make any sense to Eckmann,” and his initial response is ”What?” But “he’s a military officer and he’ll follow orders,” and points Borgstrom to the unit’s third F-16, which is not kept on alert and is therefore unarmed."[Quote-from History commons]
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