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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Robert Prey said:
They also don't watch TV. TV may or may not cause Autism but it certainly does contribute to the stupification of many Americans. Especially those who watch Oprah, canned laughter comedies, Letterman or MSNBC.
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Troll on.
 
Clayton Moore said:
No sane person posting in this thread would allow his child to receive a MMR shot at the age of 1 1/2.
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I'm relieved to discover that whereas you previously believed that the pro-vaccination posters in this thread were just dumber than you, you are now willing to consider the possibility that we are just insane.

What age do you recommend?
 
Arisia said:
Ditto with my child at 15 months... now she's taking AP and Honors classes in high school, and training to run the Cape Cod Marathon next month.
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Hmm, sounds like a vaccine reaction, better report that to VAERS.

Este
 
I haven't read the last 8 pages, but back then Clayton Moore referenced "Chicago's Homefirst" as a source for vaccine-free kids to study. That execrable quack doctor and his partner have actually killed kids. Horrible, horrible stuff. From Scienceblogs, quoting the Chicago Tribune:

But if you want the most despicable comment from the Trib’s reporting, it doesn’t come from Dr. Eisenstein. Rather, it comes from his partner, Dr. Peter Rosi, who, when questioned about multiple infant deaths occurring during home births at which he was the attending physician, he replied:

“The doctors in the majority try to use the legal system to disable or destroy doctors in the minority,” he said.

Families allege that Rosi repeatedly made mistakes during home births and pediatric care that led to children dying or suffering brain damage, court records show.

In an interview, Rosi blamed some of the parents for their babies’ deaths.

“Eighty percent of complications in childbirth are psychological,” he said. “Babies can be killed by a mother’s attitude.”
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Robert Prey said:
Ooops. Forgot about the greatest stupifier of all. And a prime Autism suspect.. That would of course be Sesame Street.
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You're claim is full of fail and lacking of evidence and adherence to reality.
 
Any sane person who has read the testimonies of parents of autistic children on a connection with MMR would at the very minimum have each of the three combined vaccines separately and a month or more apart.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Any sane person who has read the testimonies of parents of autistic children on a connection with MMR would at the very minimum have each of the three combined vaccines separately and a month or more apart.
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Any sane parent would investigate those claims and come to the conclusion that panicked parents are hardly a reliable source of information.

Edited to add: Wasn't this addressed earlier in the thread?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Any sane person who has read the testimonies of parents of autistic children on a connection with MMR would at the very minimum have each of the three combined vaccines separately and a month or more apart.
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What on earth would make "any sane person" think that parents were best placed to judge causation? At best, such testimonies are anecdotal evidence that might prompt research to be undertaken. As we all know, there has been plenty of research into this question and because you don't like the results you ignore it.

At best, your recommendation would leave children unnecessarily unprotected against infectious diseases for months. In fact, it's probably worse than that.

As far as I know there is no safe and effective single mumps vaccine available in the UK at present (I know that Babyjabs, who provide single vaccines, currently have no mumps vaccine available - and this has been the case for years). So it would not even be possible for parents in the UK to follow your recommended vaccine schedule. A schedule that is based on unfounded fears and your unwillingness to accept the current best evidence regarding MMR vaccination.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Any sane person who has read the testimonies of parents of autistic children on a connection with MMR would at the very minimum have each of the three combined vaccines separately and a month or more apart.
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I can give you hundreds, if not thousands, of parental testimonies that prayer healed their child of everything from cancer to paralysis.

Is that definitive proof prayer works as a healing tool?
 
Clayton Moore's ideal solution is to simply let people get sick, then attempt to cure them.

While it would be nice to have actual cures for these terrible diseases, for those to work would require administering the cure within a reasonable amount of time after confirmation of infection. Unfortunately, by the time you know you're infected and with what, it may already be too late; damage has already been done. Not only to yourself, but you've quite likely already passed on the disease to numerous other people. (For this alone, Clayton Moore, your preaching is terrible, dangerous, and inhumane.)

That's why it is infinitely more wise to take a defensive stance than a reactive stance. Sure, most of the people being vaccinated may never be exposed to the diseases they've been vaccinated against, but who really wants to take that risk?

Nobody gets into a vehicle accident every time they're in a vehicle, but any reasonable person still puts on their seat belt every time they go for a drive or ride. Sure, you can argue that it doesn't cost money every time you buckle your seat belt, but then you're just reducing peoples' safety to an economic argument. Clayton Moore attempted this when bringing up the cost of vaccination. At that point you've lost any claim to empathy and caring for people, in my opinion.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Any sane person who has read the testimonies of parents of autistic children on a connection with MMR would at the very minimum have each of the three combined vaccines separately and a month or more apart.
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Sorry Clayton, I relied instead on the testimonies of millions of parents of children who experienced nothing or developmental leaps. I do believe that trumps your anecdote. Add to that, I got an MMR and then went to university. I then got a pre-prophylaxis rabies series and got into grad school. Vaccines for higher education.

Este
 
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