The 2 F15s out of Otis AFB were supposed to do a 'Patriot' fly over of the WTC a few minutes AFTER WTC2 was struck so that people could look up and say,"Just missed,if only they'd gotten here a few minutes sooner".
Evidence? Something? Anything at all to substantiate this?
They were scrambled perfectly to do it had the pilots followed protocol and flown SUBsonic.
Fail, they were scrambled as fast as they could. Otis got the head up at
08:34. 4 minutes later at
08:38 Joe Cooper called NEADS, the very first time NORAD got any word of the situation of AA11. 3 minutes later,
08:41 NEADS places Otis at battlestations. Two pilots rush to their F-15s and begin preparing them. 5 minutes later,
08:46 as AA11 impacted the WTC, and as UA175 gets hijacked, NEADS scrambles the two F-15s. 6 minutes,
08:52 as UA175 transponder change is just being noticed by New York TMU, two F-15s from Otis are airborne, still looking to intercept AA11, unknown about it's fate or the situation with UA175. ~
09:00 unable to locate AA11, and unaware of UA175's imminent impact with the WTC, F-15s are sent to hold in military airspace.
09:03 UA175 hits WTC, NEADS receives word from NY TMU that they've lost UA175, no body knows what the hell is going on. F-15s are sent 10 minutes later to Combat Air Patrol over Manhattan. There is no possible way the F-15s could have made it to NY to stop an aircraft which no one in authority knew was hijacked until after it hit its target. There is no possible way they could have scrambled faster. They were given 9 minutes warning of AA11, no warning of UA175, this is proven fact, not theory. You are wrong.
NEADS' leadership had ever reason to believe that they would since the pilots were to suppose to think it was only an earlier than expected start to the morning scheduled (expected) hijacking drill.
Long debunked rubbish. The NORAD drill of the day was a combined exercise with Canada to simulate Russian bombers coming in over Alaska and Canada. F-15 pilots on standby had nothing at all to do with any drill, they were on standby for air defense, not for some drill happening thousands of miles away from their base. The drill was canceled before it started. If anything, because everyone was getting into their stations for the drill, the response was, if anything, better.
What NEADS leadership didn't know was that the pilots had been tipped off it was 'real' by Boston Center ATC supervisor (Bueno) who had violated protocol and called Otis tower himself trying to scramble fighters.
Violated protocol? He was a civilian improvising on a situation which they had not prepared for. He was calling anyone he could. The pilots only 'tip' off was that after the call they were told to begin suiting up, that they may get a call to battlestations soon. They had no idea there was any potential suicide risk from the hijackers. Even airborne, they did not know of the fate of AA11 or UA175 until much later, no body did.
Once they were scrambled the pilots flew,"full blower" (Supersonic) directly towards NYC. Until NEADS leadership noticed and quickly redirected them to military controlled airspace over the sea (Whiskey 105) and put in a holding pattern to wait for flight 175 to hit. They were in that pattern when WTC2 was struck at 9:03.
Total lie. NORAD tapes dispute your theory. You have
no evidence to substantiate this.
The 911 Commission covered it up by moving the dot (location of fighters at 9:03) on the map of the Otis fighters flight route from it's real location within the pattern to just before the pattern but that created a problem for anyone who bothered to crunch the numbers.
Oh really? Care to 'crunch the numbers' and substantiate this claim? Or is this another which hold no water?
Had the pilots flown the way they say they did,"In the air before the radar kicked in","full blower all the way" (8:52-9:03) then they would have been over NYC by 9:03 NOT 100 miles away as the Commission claims (Otis=153 miles from NYC).
And done what exactly? AA11 was in the tower, even though they still thought at
09:03 it was still in the air somewhere. No one knew of UA175 until after it hit the tower, NORAD tapes confirm this. From known hijacking, to impact, UA175 took 10 minutes. No one got any warning. F-15s were sent to
Tail AA11, not shoot down commercial airlines. They did not have the mission, the orders, the intel, the time, or the authority to engage
anything on 9/11.
I will further claim that the Otis F15s were only given enough fuel to do a 'patriotic' flyover of the WTC but not enough to to be a threat to the other hijacked planes.
What other planes? What evidence do you have to back up this one? F-15s burned to NY, were in the air well over an hour, CAP Manhattan. Langley were put in standby in case they needed to swap. They didn't have to, Team 2 3, aerial tankers were sent to hold off NY. F-15s refueled off Team 2 3 overhead JFK airport. They maintained the CAP. Your argument is unsubstantiated and illogical.
Langley AFB is simply too close to Washington DC (6 minutes by F16) and they needed an excuse to send the Langley's F16s to the North East to allow Flight 77 to strike Washington from the South West. It was supposed to be Flight 93 but was 40 minutes delayed,so Boston Center's military liaison made up the false phantom 11 report to cover for the delayed 93 (they knew flight 11 had crashed 35 minutes before).
Lie, no one had confirmed anything. The incorrect report regarding AA11 came from the FAA, not Boston. It was a mistake in the confusion of the day. It made no difference, no one knew AA77 was inbound until Regan National picked up the primary 6 miles from the White House. NEADS got heads up that AA77 was missing seconds before they received word of a primary over Washington DC. AA77 had already impacted the Pentagon. Langley F-16s took a standard scramble heading instead of the one NEADS sent. NEADS did not order them out over the water, this is well heard in the NORAD tapes. They prove you wrong. By the time TSD showed UA93 was inbound to DC, F-16s from Andrews (not under the control of NEADS) were sent to intercept. UA93 was already down from the passenger revolt over 10 minutes earlier. Langley's scramble mistake made no difference to the events of the day.
There was one problem though,if word of Flight 77 somehow got to the pilots they would then think there were 2 hijacked planes heading toward Washington DC at the same time from opposite directions. That would have them fly straight to Washington DC itself and in a position to stop Flight 77.
To prevent that from happening Langley's Supervisor of Flying Capt. Borgstrum (whose job it was to relay mission orders & communicate with civilian ATC-from whom he'd learn of Flight 77 and tip off the pilots) was ordered up in a third unarmed F16. With Borgstrum in the air and no one on the ground doing his job,NEADS leadership was able to ensure a SOP scramble would occur (requires fighters to fly 60 miles East over the Atlantic-Away from Washington DC).
Except the major fact that
No One Knew Of Flight 77 Before Impact. Your argument is void.
After the SOP scramble the Langley F16s were then directed North East away from Washington DC until after they themselves had confirmed to NEADS that the Pentagon had been hit. They were NEVER direct to Washington DC until after NEADS leadership knew the attack had succeeded.
Interesting choice of words, still no evidence to back this up at all, and all the evidence of the NORAD tapes against you. You've just gone off on a fairy tale, illogical, unproven, fact-less.
It appears Gen. Arnold forgot that things had gone according to the original plan and reverted back to it tell the Commission that Langley's F16s had been scrambled for flight 93 which hadn't even been hijacked yet when the scramble order was given (9:24).
Arnold had some events mixed. So what? That was the point of the commission, to sort out all the discrepancies and find the narrative for the event of that day. The commission figured it out. They also figured out Norman Minetta's testimony was a half hour out. They figured what happened, not just from one persons testimony, but from interviews with dozens, testimonies of hundreds, phone records, ATC records, RADAR data, NORAD recordings, gigabytes of data. You are taking a small piece of the giant puzzle and building a theory of woo with no evidence to back it up. A total fantasy.
Edit: oh, and welcome to JREF. Took your time.
