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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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pakeha said:
Hi, Robert.
Could you explain what you mean by 'perhaps vaccinations helped'?
I had the impression you were going to take my question some serious consideration from an anti-vaxx point of view.
The natural herd immunity didn't seem to work in this country at all, as far as I can see.

Could you give us an analysis of the situation with polio in India from an anti-vaxxer point of view? I'd be interested in knowing it.
Thanks!



Could you explain the link between autism and vaccines, please?
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One question at a time, please.
 
Estellea said:
So Robert, how did naturally-acquired immunity eradicate smallpox? How did it eradicate rinderpest? How has it eliminated polio from the Western hemisphere? How is it that measles antibodies were found in nearly 100% of children by the age of 15 years old pre-vaccine still allowed for millions of cases annually if naturally-acquired herd immunity was so protective? So many questions, so much disinformation for you to answer with.

Este
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One question at a time, please.
 
Estellea said:
Think twice? That is a non-answer. I thought plenty about my children's and my own vaccination and decided to even though the chances of them acquiring some of the diseases were very low to nil. I can't control the anti-vaxx campaigns scaring parents away from vaccinations and can't control global travel which may bring an eliminated disease like polio into my community. And after having an infant too young to be fully vaccinated for pertussis getting it, why wouldn't I reduce other VPDs? You are perpetuating a false balance as though anti-vaxxers have any valid evidence to their claims and you being an indication, do not. There is only evidence, not pro or anti. You can't support the claim that vaccines cause autism yet you provide that as a vaccine side effect. How many vaccines cause disease and even to the extent that natural disease would? What are the stats on that?



Learn more from natural news? Are you joking? That site is for the credulous and foolish, not those able to actually parse the literature themselves and there is still no evidence that SV-40 (an adventitious virus that hasn't been present in IPV for several decades) causes mesotheliomas in humans and my sources are a darn sight better than your hysterical Mikey Adams screeds.

Este
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The unfortunate victims of vaccine disasters such at The Cutter Incident
bear witness to the fact that Modern Medicine often makes mistakes and often lies about vaccine safety.
 
Tomblvd said:
It just so happens that there are only a few countries where polio is yet to be eradicated or had made a recurrence. These countries have one thing in common, very low vaccination rates. When not enough children are inoculated, polio rates go up.

There is no way to include herd immunity into this issue without first including vaccination.

Unless you have a better theory?
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I don't address generalized questions about "countries". But name one.
 
Clayton Moore said:
These people don't understand that the cow pox immunity to small pox was noticed and vaccine theory was born.

Today's vaccine concoctions remind me of my teen buddy working on his 57 Chevy's engine for an hour or so and saying that should do it. Start it up. It starts up or doesn't start up. There was no real plan. Even if it started up there was no knowing whether he fixed a problem, caused a problem, or made it worse.
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Your mate was not a mechanic.
 
Robert Prey said:
One question at a time, please.
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No, you don't get off that easily. You've been saying that for pages now and you haven't answered a single question when it's posed. You are being very dishonest.

Robert Prey said:
The unfortunate victims of vaccine disasters such at The Cutter Incident
bear witness to the fact that Modern Medicine often makes mistakes and often lies about vaccine safety.
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Oh really? Then how do you even know about the Cutter Incident if "modern medicine" lies? Science and medicine are fallible. Are you trying to tell us that whatever it is you do isn't? Please share.

Este
 
Robert Prey said:
I don't address generalized questions about "countries". But name one.
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The question was not generalised. It asked for your take on a specific statistical trend in three specific nations.

But your track record suggests you can't address it anyway.
 
Robert, Im not sure if you have read the whole thread, but have you counted how many "medical witnesses" have been credited with the studies in favour of vaccination?

By your own self imposed rules if there are 39 or more then it is a legal slam dunk that apparently can not be argued against right? Heck i could just claim they exist and never produce links to them all right?
 
Clayton Moore said:
These people don't understand that the cow pox immunity to small pox was noticed and vaccine theory was born.
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Who are 'these people'? Is it us? Doctors? Scientists? Is it only the anti-vax crowd that understand the history?

You know about variolation? You know when that started?

Clayton Moore said:
Today's vaccine concoctions remind me of my teen buddy working on his 57 Chevy's engine for an hour or so and saying that should do it. Start it up. It starts up or doesn't start up. There was no real plan. Even if it started up there was no knowing whether he fixed a problem, caused a problem, or made it worse.
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Cute story. Are you saying professional mechanics have no idea what they are doing?

Medical professionals actually go spend some time going to college to learn. They get trained. They aren't acne riddled teens with little or no clue.
 
Robert Prey said:
One question at a time, please.
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No worries, Robert.

...I had the impression you were going to take my question some serious consideration from an anti-vaxx point of view.
The natural herd immunity didn't seem to work in this country (India) at all, as far as I can see.

Could you give us an analysis of the situation with polio in India from an anti-vaxxer point of view? I'd be interested in knowing it
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There you go, Robert.
 
Robert Prey said:
I don't address generalized questions about "countries". But name one.
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You don't answer questions about "vaccines" either.

How about India, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Chad?

Just pick one and tell us why your magical "natural herd immunity" eradicated polio from the entire face of the Earth except these few countries?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Today's vaccine concoctions remind me of my teen buddy working on his 57 Chevy's engine for an hour or so and saying that should do it. Start it up. It starts up or doesn't start up. There was no real plan. Even if it started up there was no knowing whether he fixed a problem, caused a problem, or made it worse.
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Yet another subject of which you don't know anything about.
 
Tomblvd said:
You don't answer questions about "vaccines" either.

How about India, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Chad?

Just pick one and tell us why your magical "natural herd immunity" eradicated polio from the entire face of the Earth except these few countries?
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No. You pick one.
 
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