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Re-Open the 9/11 Investigation Now

OCaptain said:
This quote really sells it for me:

"From the outset of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, it seemed implausible that the hijackers -- most of whom spoke no English and had never been to the U.S. -- could have executed the heinous plot on their own. The inquiry proved those suspicions justified, and a 28-page chapter in its report centered on sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. That chapter remains censored, denied to the American people."

So, if you don't speak English you can't hijack an aircraft apparently.

Rubbish!
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It's the same racist nonsense that has engineering students from Hamburg "living in caves."
 
OCaptain said:
This quote really sells it for me:

"From the outset of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, it seemed implausible that the hijackers -- most of whom spoke no English and had never been to the U.S. -- could have executed the heinous plot on their own. The inquiry proved those suspicions justified, and a 28-page chapter in its report centered on sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. That chapter remains censored, denied to the American people."

So, if you don't speak English you can't hijack an aircraft apparently.

Rubbish!
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Yep, because as we know:

1) No one is able to live in the United States without speaking fluent English.

2) You can't buy a plane ticket unless you speak fluent English.

3) Slashing open flight attendants' throats with box cutters won't cow the passengers, you need to speak fluent English.

4) "Had never been to the U.S." well, except for the 6-12 months they had been living in the US before 9/11.

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carlitos said:
It's the same racist nonsense that has engineering students from Hamburg "living in caves."
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Making false claims of racism wether it's holocaust revisionism accusations(as has been done on this board)or "living in caves" as you have just done, doesn't show how naive or racist I am, but rather how pathetic and dishonest your response to information is.

As for the "students from Hamburg "living in caves":


Hussayen, who was involved in the administration of the holy mosques in Mecca and Medina, had been in the States for some three weeks before 9/11. For four days before the attacks, he had stayed at a hotel in Virginia.

Then, on September 10, he had made an unexplained move. With his wife, he checked into the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, Virginia—the hotel at which 9/11 hijackers Mihdhar and Hazmi were spending their last night alive.

Commission memos state that F.B.I. agents arrived at Hussayen’s room at the Marriott after midnight on the 11th. The Saudi official began “muttering and drooping his head,” sweating and drooling. Then he fell out of his chair and appeared to lose consciousness for a few moments. Paramedics summoned to the room were puzzled. Could the patient be “faking”?, they asked the agents. Doctors who examined Hussayen at a local hospital, moreover, found nothing wrong with him. An F.B.I. agent said later that the interview had been cut short because—the agent suggested—Hussayen “feigned a seizure.”
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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108

From 9-11 Commission released notes:

SSA Galligan and SA Maguire commented on the interview of Saleh al-Hussayen at the Marriott Residence Inn, Herndon, VA. Al-Hussayen is a cleric and is associated with Islamic proselytizing. His nephew, Sami al-Hussayen is a defendant in a Federal fraud prosecution in Idaho.

Saleh al-Hussayen was interviewed at approximately 1:00 AM on 09/12/2001 in his room at the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, VA. AIHussayen and the American Airlines Flight 77 highjackers, including Nawaf al-Hazrni and Khalid al-Mihdhar stayed at that Marriott on the night of 09/10/2001. Saleh al- Hussayen either suffered or faked a seizure while being interviewed by FBI agents. He was taken to a local hospital and the interview was never completed.

Saleh al-Hussayen returned to Saudi Arabia on 09/16/2001 when civil aviation resumed within the United States. He had been scheduled to leave the United States on 09/13/2001
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http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00267.pdf

So the CIA knew members of the San Diego cell were al Qaeda terrorists before they ever came to America, and these terrorists were assisted by Saudi Intelligence agents. The CIA also knew of at least some members of the German cell before they ever came to America and then they also were assisted by Saudi Gov officials.

The director of central intelligence on Tuesday defended his agency's handling of information it received about one of the Sept. 11 hijackers some two and a half years before the attacks, saying, ''We didn't sit on our hands.''

German intelligence officials gave the C.I.A. the first name of the hijacker, Marwan al-Shehhi, and his phone number in early 1999 after monitoring conversations of a well-known Islamic extremist in Hamburg. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said it was trying to determine what American intelligence officials did with that information.

The director of central intelligence, George J. Tenet, told members of Congress on Tuesday that he would not discuss details of the operation publicly, but said ''we did some things to go find out some things.'' Although American officials ''didn't have enough'' to move against Mr. Shehhi, ''we didn't sit around,'' Mr. Tenet said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/25/u...data.html?ref=marwanalshehhi&pagewanted=print

So the CIA "forgot" to pass on info on Marwan al-Shehhi as well, and he somehow ended up getting a visa along with his roommates Atta and Jarah.....

American Intelligence Agents assisting the hijackers? No, Saudi Arabia Intelligence agents assisting the hijackers and American officials covering it up.

German wiretaps pick up the name of key players in the 9/11 plot, including Marwan al-Shehi, the eventual pilot of Flight 175, the plane that hits the south tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11. The Germans pass on this information to the CIA. Later it is learned the Hamburg cell is in contact with an official from the Saudi embassy in Berlin and is in phone contact with a number of sheiks in Saudi Arabia.
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http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/intelligence_printer.html

From Lawsuit:

BRIEF OF THE FEDERAL INSURANCE PLAINTIFFS-APPELLANTS:

In particular, the FAC alleges that Omar Al Bayoumi, a Saudi intelligence officer, and Fahad Al Thumairy, a Saudi diplomat who was stripped of his diplomatic visa and later barred from the United States based on suspected ties to terrorism, provided direct assistance to two of the September 11th hijackers. FAC ¶¶ 411-420 [A 2004-2005]. The FAC also asserts that Muhammed Fakihi, the head of the Islamic Affairs Department of the Saudi Embassy in Berlin, provided material support to members of the Hamburg al Qaida cell that planned and coordinated the September 11th Attack.
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http://media.philly.com/documents/Federal+Insurance+Appellants'+Brief.pdf

What a coincidence! The CIA is aware of Al Qaeda terrorists that are in San Diego and a Saudi Diplomat and Saudi Agents are assisting them. The CIA knows about The German cell and a Saudi Diplomat is assisting them.

BERLIN — A raid on the apartment of an alleged member of the Hamburg cell that led the Sept. 11 attacks turned up the business card of a diplomat from the Saudi Embassy in Berlin, and Saudi officials haven't responded to German requests to explain how the defendant came to have the card, a German police officer testified in court Tuesday.

In the testimony Tuesday, Klose provided few details on the Saudi diplomat, except to say that he believed the official worked in the religious affairs section of the embassy. But it was the first public airing of German frustration with Saudi refusal to cooperate on counterterrorism.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...t-saudi-embassy-hijackers-were-saudi-citizens

From 9-11 Commission released notes:

SA Maguire stated that Saudi diplomat Mohamed Fakhi, assigned to Berlin, and in contact with the Hamburg cell was recalled from Germany and returned to Saudi Arabia.
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http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00267.pdf

As a known - known such as Saudi assistance to the hijackers is kept from the American people under the guise of "National Security" we have the Hon Donald Rumsfeld promoting the "unknown unknowns conspiracy theory" such as Iraq assisitng the terrorists.....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk
 
That wall of text is a complete non-sequitur to what I wrote. The fact that truthers can't imagine brown people are smart enough to outwit 4 airline crews and the inept efforts of the CIA / FBI is clear to see.


cornsail said:
How many times do you hear truthers say something like "you actually believe the WTC was destroyed by Arab terrorists living in caves?"

First, lets say that the official government story of 911 is correct; Some Middle Eastern men from a cave hijacked some planes
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jason_vo_070630_beware_the_man_with_.htm

KSM and his band of fellow cave-dwellers were long ago convicted of criminal terrorism sans trial by the neocons and the government.
http://www.wearechange.org/

Members of Scholars have contributed to a new book that analyses the government's official account, according to which 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6133

The official theory of 9/11 -- 19 hijackers, tall fundamentalist bearded guy in a cave -- is, in the strictest sense of the term, also a "conspiracy theory."
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/

We all knew then we all realized that this was not some group of
unorganized cave dwellers from Afghanistan orchestrating a perfect hit
on American soil. It was impossible.
http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php

How could these men – Afghanistani cave-dwellers – who were nicknamed “Dumb and Dumber,” miraculously be able to execute moves that were only achievable by the upper Top Gun elite of our Air Force?
http://www.wingtv.net/bell.html
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It just occurred to me that I've heard it a lot and that it relies on a racist stereotype of a backwards uneducated people based on their status as Middle Easterners. They may be morally backwards, but they're certainly not the incompetent cave men that they're so often caricatured as. The main people "allegedly" behind 9-11 were college educated and some of them had a successful history of kicking the Soviets out of Afghanistan. So next time you hear a truther talking about "cave-dwelling Middle Easterners" or something, consider calling them out for their racist assumptions.
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jimd3100 said:
Making false claims of racism wether it's holocaust revisionism accusations
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The Holocaust deniers are dumber than dirt, making them racist idiots, and have nothing to do with 911 Truth, save they are ripe for falling for idiotic claims from 911 Truth.

The racism is covert, -
From the outset of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, it seemed implausible that the hijackers -- most of whom spoke no English and had never been to the U.S. -- could have executed the heinous plot on their own. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-graham/911-saudi-arabia_b_1868863.html
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Is old Bob racist? Down deep? Who penned the book promotion blog entry?
How do you find these fake news stories filled with irony? When will 60 minutes run with your "shoot-down means stand-down" stuff?

A thread based on a blog by Bob, who sells books about his failure in the Senate Intel committee.
 
It seems he is claiming that Saudi Arabia is behind it all and the US Govt is covering up for them.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
It seems he is claiming that Saudi Arabia is behind it all and the US Govt is covering up for them.
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I'm not sure why but the need to pretend Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9/11 is a subset of CT trutherism I've encountered a number of times before.
 
beachnut said:
The racism is covert, - Is old Bob racist? Down deep? Who penned the book promotion blog entry?
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How low can you go?

You've reached the bottom of the barrel, beachnut.

A thread based on a blog by Bob, who sells books about his failure in the Senate Intel committee.
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Not true, beachnut. Graham wrote "Intelligence Matters" which asked the questions about the joint intelligence investigation that he was co-chair of.

Bob Graham knows what is in the 28 pages of that report that Bush censored. Graham knows how important it is for the American public to be aware of the information contained in the 28 pages Bush censored.

Graham wrote "Keys to the Kingdom" so he could answer the questions from "Intelligence Matters". Since Bush censored the information about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9/11, Graham had to write a fictional book to get around the censor problem Bush created so the information could get out to the American people.

Bob Graham cares about America.

Obviously you don't.
 
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shure said:
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Bob Graham cares about America.

Obviously you don't.
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28 years in the USAF for me, makes me not care about America?, and you, a failed soothsayer. Bob is politics.

Bob's blog is to sell books. It is Marketing 101. Bob Graham has a book, he writes about intel failures; irony, he was on the Senate Intel Committee before and during 911. Bob writes books, Bob is not part of the solution, he was a major player in the problem, the one he makes up in his books.

Re-Open the 9/11 Investigation Now, the "false flag" to sell books. It would be interesting to see if book sales went up. Old Bob, Senate Intel Committee. The ironic part, he can't publish the secrets, he will be a traitor - but he can BS about 911 and make money, a true PatriotSnake-oil-Salesman (money, greed, sell books, capitalism). Love it or leave it. Did you call him up? What does he think about the, "shoot-down means stand-down" stuff? Your calls were funny, your supporting Bob is too. Keep up the new 911 truth approach.

I would buy his book if I need to learn about BS, but my brother is an expert (in marketing too). Were sales up?
 
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dafydd said:
Does this Bob care about insulting the victims and families of 911?
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Debra Burlingame - "I am asking all my Facebook friends to go the this website and sign the petition to pass the JASTA bill, which would allow 9/11 victims to sue the government of Saudi Arabia for its role in the 9/11 attacks. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (where 15 of the 19 hijackers were from) funded and facilitated the attacks, even deploying Omar Bayoumi--a Saudi agent in San Diego--to assist two of the hijackers on my brother's plane. Please sign the petition and post this link on your FB page. Thank you."

http://www.justiceagainstterrorism.org/


You do know who Debra Burlingame is, right?
 
shure said:
Debra Burlingame - "I am asking all my Facebook friends to go the this website and sign the petition to pass the JASTA bill, which would allow 9/11 victims to sue the government of Saudi Arabia for its role in the 9/11 attacks. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (where 15 of the 19 hijackers were from) funded and facilitated the attacks, even deploying Omar Bayoumi--a Saudi agent in San Diego--to assist two of the hijackers on my brother's plane. Please sign the petition and post this link on your FB page. Thank you."

http://www.justiceagainstterrorism.org/


You do know who Debra Burlingame is, right?
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How is that a re-open 911 investigation issue?

Is she going to sue the USA, we have people who joined UBL too.

Did the Saudis get money to buy their knives from who?

She could sue the people who taught them to fly.
 
I COULD be wrong, as I don't know all THAT much about law, but I would think that she could sue the government of S.A. but she would have to take it up in their courts. I'm not sure though.

If she tried to do it in a US court, I would think that the statute of limitations would have expired by now. But, IANAL,
 
carlitos said:
The reason it fails is that Capone's "other crimes" actually were obvious in that they took place in the real world.
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Plus, he was not guilty of committing two mutually exclusive crimes. Like both murder and attempted murder of the same victim.
 
triforcharity said:
I COULD be wrong, as I don't know all THAT much about law, but I would think that she could sue the government of S.A. but she would have to take it up in their courts. I'm not sure though.

If she tried to do it in a US court, I would think that the statute of limitations would have expired by now. But, IANAL,
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I thought someone had already done that. It was about as successful as one would expect, IIRC.
 
Robrob said:
I'm not sure why but the need to pretend Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9/11 is a subset of CT trutherism I've encountered a number of times before.
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What is amusing is their inability to understand the difference between the Saudi Government being reponsible for 9/11,and individual Saudi Citizens being responsible for 9/11.
 
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