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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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thedopefishlives said:
Which only works if many people are actually immune in the first place. So by your own admission, the polio vaccine worked.

So this is the topic you're choosing to jump ship to, now that you've been roundly spanked on JFK and Obama? Welcome.
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40 plus medical witnesses for JFK, and an x-ray vision woo woo scanner debunked at Obama birther. The spanking privilege was all mine to administer and with pleasure. Now for the "vaccines do not cause autism" baloney.
 
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Robert Prey said:
40 plus medical witnesses for JFK, and an x-ray vision woo woo scanner debunked at Obama birther. The spanking privilege was all mine to administer and with pleasure. Now for the "vaccines do not cause autism" baloney.
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I believe I must have missed both. Well, apart from the large servings of baloney.

Another toothless dog for the fight?
 
Mudcat said:
Vaccines do not cause autism. You're full of baloney.



No. It could no longer sustain itself because it killed too many people. Do you honestly think this is a desirable outcome?
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But it did not kill everybody. Not a nice outcome, but natural herd immunity is how all epidemics end.
 
Robert Prey said:
So when the Bubonic Plague finally ended, it ended due to the Bubonic Plague Vaccine??????
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In a way... Like all microbial diseases, the plague was it's own unattenuated "vaccine": unfortunately one that killed most of the people it infected.

Also there is evidence that there is a genetic component to resistance.

But Robert, i suspect you know this. And you probably know polio can manifest as both a non- paralytic and a paralytic form, and the link to age of exposure of these forms. You probably also know how many children need to be paralyzed by the virulent, natural form of polio to generate immunity in the rest of the population, versus the vaccine, which achieves the same effect without the paralysis.

But perhaps you find the debate more entertainning than the facts.
 
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Random Stundie Generator said:
The problem with immunization is that sometimes it causes the very disease it's supposed to prevent.
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You balk at mild symptoms of a life threatening disease, yet think thousands of people dropping like flies is preferable?

RSG said:
And the statistical numbers are often cooked.
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Yes, towards reality. Otherwise someone would raise an alarm, it would be investigated, and the method would no longer be used.

Why has this not happened?
 
Robert Prey said:
Now for the "vaccines do not cause autism" baloney.
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Well then, since CM ran like a whipped dog from this question, perhaps you'll answer...

Why is it that this guy


Has had every recommended vaccination, & not only is he showing no signs of autism, but is well above average in his development?
 
BenjaminTR said:
These science/medicine conspiracies are always so enormous, I wonder if profit motive can be definitively ruled out. The conspiracy theory is that Big Pharma is lying about vaccines (or whatever) in order to guarantee profits. To ensure that their lies are not exposed and that their profits are not lost, they have to pay off all major political parties in all industrialized countries in the world. They have to pay off all medical researchers in universities and independent institutions in all countries in the world. They need to reach some kind of agreement with the insurance companies, whose interests conflict with Big Pharma's in many instances. They need to keep an eye out for rogue decent people who aren't willing to sacrifice the health and safety of children for profit, then they need the resources to discredit, silence or eliminate these people.

Plus, if the people in on this aren't suicidal, they need to fund two sets of medical research: the real research so that they know what products they themselves should use, and fabricated research to convince the public to buy their products whether they are safe or not. Obviously, they need to keep the real research a secret.

I do not have the figures, but I do not think this is a good business model. It probably costs more to run than it could possibly generate in profit. Plus, there are huge risks of being exposed. So: huge risks for the sake of losing tons of money. Hmmm. No.
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It's more like not rocking the boat or not shaking the money tree when the non elites are looking.

A million or so laid out for research with a desired result is less than a butterfly wing in the animal world. About 100 million flu shots a year at $60 a pop + $60 a visit to the doctor.

$360,000,000,000


That's one vaccine.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/spec-grps/child_2-10yrs.htm#diseases

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Who should get vaccinated?

Everyone 6 months and older should get a flu vaccine each year. This recommendation has been in place since February 24, 2010 when CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted for “universal” flu vaccination in the U.S. to expand protection against the flu to more people. While everyone should get a flu vaccine each flu season, it’s especially important that certain people get vaccinated either because they are at high risk of having serious flu-related complications or because they live with or care for people at high risk for developing flu-related complications.

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Who is at high risk for developing flu-related complications?

Children younger than 5, but especially children younger than 2 years old
Adults 65 years of age and older
Pregnant women
American Indians and Alaskan Natives seem to be at higher risk of flu complications
People who have medical conditions including:
Asthma (even if it’s controlled or mild)
Neurological and neurodevelopmental conditions [including disorders of the brain, spinal cord, peripheral nerve, and muscle such as cerebral palsy, epilepsy (seizure disorders), stroke, intellectual disability (mental retardation), moderate to severe developmental delay, muscular dystrophy, or spinal cord injury]
Chronic lung disease (such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease [COPD] and cystic fibrosis)
Heart disease (such as congenital heart disease, congestive heart failure and coronary artery disease)
Blood disorders (such as sickle cell disease)
Endocrine disorders (such as diabetes mellitus)
Kidney disorders
Liver disorders
Metabolic disorders (such as inherited metabolic disorders and mitochondrial disorders)
Weakened immune system due to disease or medication (such as people with HIV or AIDS, or cancer, or those on chronic steroids)
People younger than 19 years of age who are receiving long-term aspirin therapy
People who are morbidly obese (Body Mass Index [BMI] of 40 or greater)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphylaxis

http://allergies.about.com/od/foodallergies/tp/topfoodallergyc.htm

2. Egg
Allergy to egg is the most common food allergy in children, affecting about 2.5 percent of young children. Children may be allergic to the white, yolk, or both. Many will outgrow the egg allergy by age 5, although these children are at increased risk of developing nasal allergies and asthma.

The influenza vaccine is the only routine immunization which should not be given to egg allergic children. The MMR vaccine, which was once was a concern in egg-allergic children, does not require any special procedures and typically can safely be given to children with egg allergy.
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Sounds like a good idea to give a flu shot to a six month old infant 97.5% of the time.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

What are the risks from MMR vaccine?

A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.

The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.

Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.

Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.

Mild Problems

Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)

If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

Moderate Problems

Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever(about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
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I'm curious about how anyone knows whether a toddler has a fever 1 out 6 persons and a seizure only 1 out of 3000 doses?



Is there some sort of chicanery going on with the switching from persons to doses?
 
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