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Okay, I'm calling it. Romney's toast.

R.Mackey

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We've all seen the looming catastrophe on InTrade, and the hecklers are growing ever bolder. It's no secret that Romney is losing it. But I was going to wait until after the first debate to make the call, until today's events.

First, there was Ann Romney's pleading for Republicans to stop being such meanies. This is not a dig against her, nor am I claiming her words were inherently foolhardy -- the campaign is grueling, they are taking flak from their own side, and it is costing them (and by inference, the GOP).

But, seriously, who thought this was going to help? And how? Did anyone here ever get the big kids to stop taking your lunch money by whining at them??

What she's done, apart from giving Romney's opposition yet another soundbite to play with, is to simultaneously acknowledge the power of disapproving pundits while refusing to offer them anything. A competent campaign has two basic strategies: Either plow on ahead with a stiff upper lip, dragging commentators in line as they grudgingly return to their own political interests; or else you respond to them by making changes, altering your message, altering your strategy in a way that either satisfies them or convinces them they're wrong. This approach does neither.

Even worse, this duty of whining about the poopyheads fell to Ann. Mitt apparently was the wrong guy for the job. It's almost inconceivable that the Romney campaign would trot out poor Ann to try the pity strategy, and yet they have. Unless, that is, her remarks were unscripted... in which case the campaign is devoid of discipline, and even greater yuks are in store.

Second, the one that tipped me over the edge, is Romney's decision to release his 2011 tax returns. Today. It's an obvious distraction, at least in theory, but as a distraction it fails no matter how you look at it.

On the one hand, by releasing his tax returns -- in a hurry, no less -- he's done nothing but puncture his self-inflated image as "Resolute." "No apologies," again, is his adopted, focus-group chosen mantra. How dare they attack honest (well, plausibly honest at least) wealth and success, the very essence of capitalism, I'll never cave to your demands -- oops, I just did. So this distraction fails to lead his opposition to any place advantageous to him.

But on the other hand, it's not much of a distraction at all. This only throws fuel on the fire. If he releases his 2011 returns, why not the rest? And the details! Why specifically engineer a tax return with a 14% tax bill? He didn't actually promise to do that, he just said that's where it fell in the past -- but he's now wrapped himself around his own axle.

Worst of all, think about what this tax return means. We know he could have paid a quarter million dollars less if he wanted. (We also know full well he'll file a revision as soon as the election is over and recover that quarter megabuck, but that's another story.) Why doesn't matter, except that he did it to secure some kind of advantage. Which means that he's just paid $250,000 that he didn't have to because he's afraid of what someone else will say.

This is the biggest and most expensive single pander I have ever seen. And it's not even a good one. He has been so outmaneuvered that he is literally jumping on command, whether it comes from his own side or from the opposition.

Were I Romney, I would have toughed out both situations. I would NEVER beg for clemency from GOP-leaning media types, and having planted my foot once on tax returns would simply hold to that course. Instead I'd be hard at work right now coming up with a fresh narrative. Gaining the initiative is essential. A well-crafted strategy could silence of distract both the pundits in his own party and the skeptics gradually paper-cutting him to death.

But that's not what he did. I don't think he can. Hence, he's toast.

Anyone think I've missed something?
 
Careful. A presidential campaign can spin on a dime:

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But seriously:

Anyone think I've missed something?

Yes. The short memory of the US electorate, as well as its obsession with meaningless things. All it would take is one gaffe or one bad photo op involving Obama during the ~week before the election to swing it.

People are nuts. They'll do anything.
 
Careful. A presidential campaign can spin on a dime:

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Keep Obama out of the tanks... Got it!

ETA: However, he'd look awesome in Ryu's tank...
 
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About the worst thing that could happen to the Democrats right now is to get complacent because they think it's over.
 
About the worst thing that could happen to the Democrats right now is to get complacent because they think it's over.

I've seen a lot of that.

I think Democrats should remember that not all voters see Romney the way Democrats do.

Remember that (effectively) all Republicans are going to vote Romney. There is simply no way they would vote Democrat.

But remember that in the first election, the Obama campaign was able to generate a lot of grass roots support and get people to go out an vote. There was a euphoric mood when it came to voting for Obama and he was wildly popular. And yet, despite running against a man popularly portrayed as gaga and a woman popularly portrayed as the living embodiment of clueless, Obama didn't win by a massive majority. A healthy one, maybe, but not a massive one.

So the question for the Obama supporters should be are enough people sufficiently motivated to vote for Obama or will they stay home? The election could end up being decided by something trivial like bad weather if the general mood among would be Obama-supporters is somewhat half-hearted and especially if they have heard numerous times that it doesn't matter if they vote or not because Romney's already lost.
 
I'm not only starting to think that Romney's toast, but I'm also beginning to wonder whether or not the entire GOP is going to suffer a crushing defeat in November. The odds that the Democrats retain the U.S. Senate are becoming more and more favorable by the day according to IEM and the most recent polling, and there is even reasonable speculation surfacing that they could retake the U.S. House as well (though I'm less certain of that).

If you had said any of this to me before this last week, I'd have thought you were nuts. But now all of these scenarios don't seem so remote.

Of course, the Democrats shouldn't be celebrating until Nov. 7th :)
 
I'm going to side with Peggy Noonan on this one:

Peggy Noonan said:
There is more than a month between the first debate and the voting: That's enough time for a healthy spiral to begin.

But: The Romney campaign has to get turned around. This week I called it incompetent, but only because I was being polite. I really meant "rolling calamity."

A lot of people weighed in, in I suppose expected ways: "Glad you said this," "Mad you said this." But, some surprises. No one that I know of defended the campaign or argued "you're missing some of its quiet excellence."


Romney can still win, but that isn't likely unless events begin to move in his direction. The debates will provide opportunity, and (IMO) he's a better debater than Obama. I think Romney has painted himself into too many dark corners to win those debates on substance, but he would exceed now-dismal expectations just by holding his own. When combined with economic and world events, exceeding expectations might be enough.

It's still a very close race. Having won a couple of footraces that looked more lost than this one, I'm not about to write him off.

Were I Romney, I would have toughed out both situations. I would NEVER beg for clemency from GOP-leaning media types, and having planted my foot once on tax returns would simply hold to that course.


He promised long ago to release his 2011 tax return, so this isn't a reversal of any kind. He's still hanging tough on the tax returns for 2009 and earlier.

If releasing his 2011 tax return is a distraction, as you say, then by releasing it now it has become a distraction from the even more negative events of this past week. He couldn't have picked a better time for that distraction.
 
If releasing his 2011 tax return is a distraction, as you say, then by releasing it now it has become a distraction from the even more negative events of this past week. He couldn't have picked a better time for that distraction.

I think you're confusing the word "distraction" for "big pile-on cluster-****"
 
I've seen a lot of that.

I think Democrats should remember that not all voters see Romney the way Democrats do.

Remember that (effectively) all Republicans are going to vote Romney. There is simply no way they would vote Democrat.

But remember that in the first election, the Obama campaign was able to generate a lot of grass roots support and get people to go out an vote. There was a euphoric mood when it came to voting for Obama and he was wildly popular. And yet, despite running against a man popularly portrayed as gaga and a woman popularly portrayed as the living embodiment of clueless, Obama didn't win by a massive majority. A healthy one, maybe, but not a massive one.

So the question for the Obama supporters should be are enough people sufficiently motivated to vote for Obama or will they stay home? The election could end up being decided by something trivial like bad weather if the general mood among would be Obama-supporters is somewhat half-hearted and especially if they have heard numerous times that it doesn't matter if they vote or not because Romney's already lost.
You have some good points, and I already mentioned Democratic complacency, but there is also the possibility of Republican resignment. Let's face it, Romney was never the first choice of a pretty large majority of Republicans. There are undoubtedly some dark caves in which a few Mormon-haters still lurk.

So really, there is the possibility of a wide swing in either direction. It's looking good for the Dems right now, but a month-and-a-half is a very long time, especially with a voting populace that has such a short memory.
 
There are far less swing voters in this election than in 2008. I don't think there was one time when Romney had a lead over Obama in the average polls. (at least McCain did)

All the "swing" states have held steady for at least six weeks. Only one of them favors Romney (NC) and only one is a serious toss-up (FL)
 
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He promised long ago to release his 2011 tax return, so this isn't a reversal of any kind. He's still hanging tough on the tax returns for 2009 and earlier.

If releasing his 2011 tax return is a distraction, as you say, then by releasing it now it has become a distraction from the even more negative events of this past week. He couldn't have picked a better time for that distraction.

Well, the first part of that is true. However, you'll note that the tax form he released was in fact dictated by his remarks on the trail, not the other way 'round... so at best to call this "not a reversal" is only technically correct.

Again, if this was intended to be a distraction, they failed spectacularly. What they released raises more questions than it answers, questions that hit at the very heart of his vulnerability. I would agree with the pundits on the left that he tried to bury it on a late Friday, in essence hoping for a mutual distraction vis-a-vis his other recent mistakes.

Nonetheless, for everyone who commented, you are of course correct that almost anything can happen. Voters are fickle and frequently have the attention span of a hummingbird. But I think you all agree with me, at least, that Romney's fate is no longer in his hands. All of the scenarios anyone's floated so far require decisive if not miraculous assistance from outside. That's a suitably workable definition of "toast" in my book.

Anyway, if I'm wrong, feel free to taunt me afterwards. I'll take responsibility for my own call. I won't believe I'm a victim entitled to a bailout from the collective minds of the JREF Forum. :D
 
Yeah, it's feeling like 2008 again, with Obama slowly cruising to victory.
 
First, the idea that Republicans will vote Republican no matter what is plainly not true...in fact, a number of high profile Republicans have spoken up to state that they'll vote for Obama in the next election. And there will likely be more who simply won't vote at all...they won't vote for Obama because he's a Democrat, but they won't vote for Romney either.

Second, I think that the Tea Party has effectively ruined the Republican Party's chances. Their support is crucial to gain votes in several important areas, but they are so extreme that they really turn off a great many more moderate Republicans. Romney has been trying to play a game of catering to them to gain their support, and still cater to the moderates, too. But it is impossible to do this, and the result is a non-stop stream of self-contradiction as he seeks alternately to placate one group, and then the other.

All of this, I think, is a good thing...I for one absolutely don't want to see Romney in charge. But more than that, I think that a loss in this election will cause a major fracture within the Republican Party itself, with a real schism developing between the extremists and the moderates. And I hope that the result would be for the Tea Partiers to try to start their own party (a la Ron Paul), and let the Republicans get back to being a more moderate (if still conservative) party.
 
Well, the first part of that is true. However, you'll note that the tax form he released was in fact dictated by his remarks on the trail, not the other way 'round... so at best to call this "not a reversal" is only technically correct.

Again, if this was intended to be a distraction, they failed spectacularly. What they released raises more questions than it answers, questions that hit at the very heart of his vulnerability. I would agree with the pundits on the left that he tried to bury it on a late Friday, in essence hoping for a mutual distraction vis-a-vis his other recent mistakes.

Nonetheless, for everyone who commented, you are of course correct that almost anything can happen. Voters are fickle and frequently have the attention span of a hummingbird. But I think you all agree with me, at least, that Romney's fate is no longer in his hands. All of the scenarios anyone's floated so far require decisive if not miraculous assistance from outside. That's a suitably workable definition of "toast" in my book.Anyway, if I'm wrong, feel free to taunt me afterwards. I'll take responsibility for my own call. I won't believe I'm a victim entitled to a bailout from the collective minds of the JREF Forum. :D

There still is one scenario in which Romney controls his own fate, and that is if he absolutely smashes Obama in the debates. It's not impossible, and I think they are about equal in debating talent, but I do believe that Obama has vastly superior weaponry on his side due to Romney's flip-flopping, secrets, and gaffes. So it's a tall order for Mitt, but not impossible.
 
The gaffes do keep piling up. Ryan trying to sell his Social Security and Medicare "reforms" to the AARP... Not a good moment.

I detect a note of desperation as well... CNN this morning played clips of some congressman (I didn't catch who) going on in full rant mode about "Barack HUSSEIN Obama throwing Israel under the bus."
Gee, I must have missed that... Did we stop giving them more money than almost anyone?

Of course, I'm sure the congressman envisions a nice, joint attack by Israel and us....
 

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