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Athiests start religious wars, too!

Atheism is the absence of beliefs in gods, and is not a belief in it self.
like not collecting poststamps is not a hobby, sure some religious people like Ziggurat for example, will never get that in their head.
 
DC said:
Atheism is the absence of beliefs in gods, and is not a belief in it self.
like not collecting poststamps is not a hobby, sure some religious people like Ziggurat for example, will never get that in their head.
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What makes you think I'm religious?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
But I don't believe in evolution. I accept the scientific findings that support evolution.
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You're fond of appealing to Webster, so let's check:

Definition of BELIEF
1
: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2
: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3
: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Either (A) you're right and Webster is wrong, or (B) Webster is right and you're wrong. No offense, but I think I have to go with Webster.
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Oops.
 
But back to the war question.
Hitler...Likely a Catholic, at least by upbringing. No evidence of atheism in Nazi Germany...Indeed, the Wehrmacht issue belt buckles said "Gott Mit Uns".
Stalin.... Didn't start the war, after all...He at least tried to be chummy pals (well...) with Hitler. Sure, he killed a lot of people, mostly his own. One might argue that he was atheist from an ideological standpoint... Who knows, maybe he snuck into Orthodox services on the sly. He was Russian, after all. Didn't take long for more contemporary "atheist" Soviet leaders to start attending church.
Mao? I don't recall reading anything about his beliefs; likely he started out as a Confucian or whatever.... Which is only vaguely a religion.
Starting war? Is the Revolution a war?
Guevera... As I recall, Che was not a particularly effective revolutionary after Cuba....Again, is deposing a vicious, corrupt dictator a "war"?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Perhaps.

But I don't believe in evolution. I accept the scientific findings that support evolution.

Perhaps that is why most Philosophy majors are familiar with the McDonaldsian theory of "would you like fries with that?".
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Well, if you accept the words of Mr. Wikipedia, "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."

I believe that is a good definition. I also believe that when you accept the scientific findings that support evolution this is because you, well... believe them. Is there any way in which you can show me that accepting the findings doesn't entail believing them?

If not then all I can say is, "Want fries with that pwnage?" :p

theprestige said:
It doesn't? What's the difference between belief and knowledge, then?

Please, tell me: What rational rule may I apply, to separate what I believe from what I know?
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Well, here's a good example, "A false belief is not considered to be knowledge, even if it is sincere. A sincere believer in the flat earth theory does not know that the Earth is flat."

The answer then is that not all beliefs are knowledge. How do you know if your belief is knowledge or not? Well, I suggest the best rational rule would be to read some science books, test your ideas, apply logic... fairly prosaic things really.
 
Ziggurat said:
What makes you think I'm religious?
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Your astonishing ignorance.

Your refusal to understand the meaning of "atheist" even though it has been explained many times now.

Are you honestly going to try and pretend that you are not a believer when you have not the slightest clue about agnosticism and atheism?
 
angrysoba said:
Well, if you accept the words of Mr. Wikipedia, "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."

I believe that is a good definition. I also believe that when you accept the scientific findings that support evolution this is because you, well... believe them. Is there any way in which you can show me that accepting the findings doesn't entail believing them?

If not then all I can say is, "Want fries with that pwnage?" :p



Well, here's a good example, "A false belief is not considered to be knowledge, even if it is sincere. A sincere believer in the flat earth theory does not know that the Earth is flat."

The answer then is that not all beliefs are knowledge. How do you know if your belief is knowledge or not? Well, I suggest the best rational rule would be to read some science books, test your ideas, apply logic... fairly prosaic things really.
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but a false belief is a belief and a non belief is a belief....oh eck, im confused!

lxxx
 
Ziggurat said:
You're fond of appealing to Webster, so let's check:

Definition of BELIEF
1
: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2
: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3
: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence


Oops.
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Croydon Bob said:
Your astonishing ignorance.
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And non-religious people can't be ignorant?

That claim itself is ignorant. It's meta-ignorance. Quite the accomplishment, actually. Do you have to try hard, or does it just come naturally?

Are you honestly going to try and pretend that you are not a believer when you have not the slightest clue about agnosticism and atheism?
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Are you honestly going to try to tell me what I believe about religion?

Yes, apparently you are. But then, you're special.
 
Ziggurat said:
And non-religious people can't be ignorant?

That claim itself is ignorant. It's meta-ignorance. Quite the accomplishment, actually. Do you have to try hard, or does it just come naturally?



Are you honestly going to try to tell me what I believe about religion?

Yes, apparently you are. But then, you're special.
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just as a matter of interest, are you religious or an athiest ziggurat?

lxxx
 
Ziggurat said:
Then what distinguishes an atheist from an agnostic? An agnostic doesn't have a belief in god, but atheism is not synonymous with agnosticism. So clearly that is insufficient to describe an atheist.
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Wow. So you've been here since 2003 and you still don't know what "agnostic" means ? I find that very... ahem... surprising.
 
NoahFence said:
So whenever I beat senseless facebookers who think "Athiests start wars, too you know", they always come up with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Che

I assume the answer is no, but is there any way these people started their conflicts due to athiesm?

To me it seems like a massively stupid question but I've been known to be wrong before so I just want to ensure that none of the above dolts were Athiest, and if they were, they didn't start wars because of it....
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Stalin started out as a seminary student so in Catholic terms he was a "spoiled priest".
 
Belz... said:
As someone has stated here, communism is, itself, a belief system, one that saw religion as competitors.
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However after Stalin's time the Communists modified their position on religion, and my all but brief understanding of the Soviet constitution it did not outlaw religious beliefs.
 
Belz... said:
Everything was better after Stalin.
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Which is kinda my point. I am not all that sure how much of a communist Stalin was. He seemed to make up policy and ideology on the fly ie whatever suited his particular need at the time
 
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