Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[rickps]

I'm perplexed, but did you know I proved everything is possible with God(singular)?

I think you've hit the nails (plural) on the head.

 

[abaddon]

Hi PC

Did you know there are no nails in Europe?
Did you know that you cannot provide provenance for any of the claimed nails in Europe?

 

[pakeha]

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Doesn't the word of a woman in the Philippines who's been a practising faithhealer/medium for the last 50 years count for anything here?

 

[abaddon]

^
No. Wheres my Dom?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

It really doesn't matter, Aristeo, if these alleged nails:

• Floated to Paris;
• Were carried to Paris by a swallow (African or European, take your pick);
• Were dematerialized by the transporter on the Starship Enterprise and beamed into Paris;
• Splashed ashore in a storm and carried overland to Paris by a human.

So what does matter? Just this:

• You are claiming that your god exists. That has not been demonstrated to our satisfaction. Until you can provide evidence for your god, and until we have accepted that evidence, it's meaningless to tell us what it thinks, what it wants or what it can or cannot do.
• You are claiming that a woman in the Philippines is in communication with some entity named Ama. We think that Ama doesn't exist, and that the woman in the Philippines is deliberately deceiving people. It's already been clearly demonstrated that "Ama" is astoundingly bad at making accurate prophesies; in fact, just about everyone posting in this thread can do a far better job.
• You are claiming that you have proven the birthdate and date of death of a man who quite possibly never existed at all. It gets very tiresome hearing you repeat this kind of nonsense over and over again.
• And you seem to think that people can come back from the dead, and even walk around after their heads have been removed from their bodies. This is, in My opinion, just plain silly.

Yes, it does defy logic. For that reason alone, I think that what you have "heard and learned" is tragically wrong, and that you have wasted precious years of your life chasing after holy fictions.

I think that Ama is 100% made up, just a character that Ka Apaz likes to play. I think that she has deceived you. I do hope you never gave her any money.

I also think that the books you are using as reference material are wrong, and not worth bothering with.

Finally, I really don't care what you believe in private, Aristeo. However, this is a forum populated largely by skeptics. When you start claiming to have The Truth, you have to be able to provide unbiased evidence that we, ourselves can check out. It's infuriating when you just repeat yourself. "I have proven" or "Ama told us" doesn't count as evidence. "I have proven" is a bald assertion, and "Ama told us" is hearsay from a suspected fraud.


I do not believe in your god, Aristeo. As fictional characters have no real abilities, I believe that nothing is possible for your god.

Nothing at all. It can't predict the future, transport nails to Paris, or raise people from the dead.

And it can't make your life one iota better or one iota worse, Aristeo. In My opinion, you have infinitely more power than your god. Use it wisely.

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@Astreja, #574

My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He talked to Moses and the prophets. In the Old Testament, He was called the Father. Jesus in the New Testament said that that Father is the only true God (John 17:3). Where is God? He is in Heaven. How can we go to Heaven? Only through Jesus (John 14:6). Jesus said that He and the Father are one (John 10:30). Therefore, God assumed a human form in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus was crucified and died. He came back as a spirit, THE Holy Spirit who we (plural) talk to and who we call Ama. We cannot see Him or touch Him but we can hear Him, and record on tape our conversation with Him. This completes God as Trinity said in Matthew 28:19 – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

If God can manifest Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ, can He not manifest Himself as a spirit? About 700 years before Jesus was born, there were prophecies of His coming. They are in Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6, to wit:
7:14 – Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
9:6 – For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I believe that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. Who can prophecy these?

I said that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit who we talk to is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ. He knows what had happened in the past, including the dates when Jesus was really born and died and the nails used to crucify Jesus.

 

[Hokulele]

And yet, your prophet still can't accurately predict WW3. Sounds useless to me!

 

[Rincewind]

So - his name is Immanuel then?

Not Jesus at all? After all, that's a well-known Mexican name...

 

[Astreja]

My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He talked to Moses and the prophets.

Unsupported assertion: No evidence for your god. Not even convinced that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Moses were real people.

Where is God? He is in Heaven.

Unsupported assertion: No evidence for heaven.

Jesus was crucified and died. He came back as a spirit, THE Holy Spirit who we (plural) talk to and who we call Ama.

Nonsense. People do not come back from the dead.

If God can manifest Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ, can He not manifest Himself as a spirit?

You're still committing an existential fallacy, Aristeo. Until you demonstrate that your god exists, I'm going to assume that it can't manifest as anything.

About 700 years before Jesus was born, there were prophecies of His coming... "and shall call his name Immanuel."

Ah, there's your problem, Aristeo. The Messiah isn't Jesus at all; it's someone named Immanuel. Kant you see that?

I believe that the Holy Bible came from the only true God. Who can prophecy these?

I believe that you're wrong, and that the prophesy is pure bunkum.

I said that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit who we talk to is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

What a tragic waste! In eleven years I managed to obtain a divorce, get a driver's license, learn 3 new instruments, perform in 3 bands and a choir, and write 6 novels.

And yet, your prophet still can't accurately predict WW3. Sounds useless to me!

I, on the other hand, am still running at 100% with My prophesies. Coincidence? I. Think. Not.

 

[pakeha]

^
No. Wheres my Dom?

Sorry, I've only just cast it into the sea this evening. Of it will arrive just as all the others have done.

...Therefore, God assumed a human form in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus was crucified and died. He came back as a spirit, THE Holy Spirit who we (plural) talk to and who we call Ama. We cannot see Him or touch Him but we can hear Him, and record on tape our conversation with Him. This completes God as Trinity said in Matthew 28:19 – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. ...

Apart from the failed prophecy, PC, your medium has given your little group far too much completely false information to be taken seriouslt.
We've touched on the fact there is no St Evangeline.
Nor a princess Renilinyindi who died on her wedding day with Felipe I.
Nor an heiress to the Helene Curtis fortune.
Nor did Pontius Pilate die in the Holy Land.
And on and on and on.

Doesn't tell you anything at all, PC?

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Ah, there's your problem, Aristeo. The Messiah isn't Jesus at all; it's someone named Immanuel. Kant you see that?

Nice one!
I also cast a case of Dom into the sea inmemory of IK.
Enjoy.
And now- a round of Dom for all, with Camembert on hot Melba toast for nibbles.

 

[fromdownunder]

^
No. Wheres my Dom?

Rome.

Norm

 

[gabeygoat]

I have a magic wand that shoots out icecreams

Oh man, do you have one that shoots nacho cheese sauce?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

So - his name is Immanuel then?

Not Jesus at all? After all, that's a well-known Mexican name...

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@Rincewind, #587

That is what Isaiah said in 7:14, “Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” What does Immanuel mean? “God is with us.” And if you will believe it, Jesus Christ is God Himself who assumed the physical body of a mortal like us. Wasn’t Mary a virgin when she conceived Jesus? Luke 1:27 says, “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.” Wasn’t it a son that Mary bore?

What does Isaiah 8:8 mean when it said, “O Immanuel”?

When Joseph found out that Mary was pregnant, he would like to put her away. Matthew 1:19-21 says:
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This is the reason why I believe that Jesus Christ is God. This is the reason why I believe that Jesus came back as a spirit who we (plural) call Ama and who said that a crucifixion nail was thrown into the sea by the Pharisees which floated and ended up in Paris, France, that Saint James (Santiago [de Compostela?]) found.

 

[devnull]

This is the reason why I believe that Jesus Christ is God.

Using the same logic, do you also believe that Harry Potter ended up married to Ron's sister?

If not, why not?

 

[Astreja]

Wasn’t Mary a virgin when she conceived Jesus?

Highly unlikely. IIRC, the original text uses a word that means "young, unmarried woman," not "woman who has never had sexual intercourse."

Furthermore, if no physical DNA interaction occurred at the time of Mary's alleged impregnation, the child would have two X chromosomes and no access to a Y chromosome. In other words, parthenogenesis generally results in female offspring.

As for Immanuel/Jesus, it appears from the style of the text that the author of Matthew was just copying from the book of Isaiah (which already existed) and tried to make the New Testament version resemble the OT version.

Shall I show you how trivially easy it is to do if you have access to the older of 2 documents?

A giraffe, a purple giraffe, the Giraffe of Abernathy if you will believe it, revealed truths about sandwiches, differential calculus, things that the leopard down the street said and did and their true meaning, correct interpretation of bus schedules etc. Read her essays, drinking songs and knock-knock jokes. Among her numerous revelations are about the roller skates of Nigel Tufnel, model railroad sets, tax audits, embroidery and macramé, Reykjavik, Las Vegas, bodybuilding, single-malt Scotch, Raiders of the Lost Ark, chocolate, etc.

That's pretty much how you sound to us, Aristeo... Except that I actually believe in most of the things listed above. (I am agnostic regarding the Giraffe of Abernathy and make no representations regarding what that leopard actually said to her.)

 

[Craig B]

Ah, there's your problem, Aristeo. The Messiah isn't Jesus at all; it's someone named Immanuel. Kant you see that?

Immanuel Kant but Genghis Khan!

 

[pakeha]

That deserves a case of Dom.
After I post I'll go down to the sea and cast one in for you.

Oh man, do you have one that shoots nacho cheese sauce?

Euuwww.

...This is the reason why I believe that Jesus Christ is God. This is the reason why I believe that Jesus came back as a spirit who we (plural) call Ama and who said that a crucifixion nail was thrown into the sea by the Pharisees which floated and ended up in Paris, France, that Saint James (Santiago [de Compostela?]) found.

What does belief in a virgin birth have to do with a faith healer/medium working her public in the Philippines?

PC, you've never really explained how the Pharisees had access to one of the nails from the crucifixion.
Nor how they'd have received word Pontius Pilate had died in Vienne.
Nor how they'd find out there was a storm in the Mediterranean sea.
And as an added question, just which st James did the medium mention?
Saint_James^WP

It's all almost as incongruent as that false etymology of the word apple and the name Pontius Plate you gave earlier.
Or the story of the nonexistent heiress to the Helene Curtis fortune.
Or the story of the nonexistent Reniliniyindi.
Or the story of the nonexistent st Evangeline.

Why do you take the word of a medium as gospel truth, when you know she's wrong about so much?

ETA:
The chicanery of this faith healers/medium made me forget-
a round of Dom for all!

 

[Mojo]

He knows what had happened in the past, including the dates when Jesus was really born and died and the nails used to crucify Jesus.

How would he know the date he was born? All he would know would be the date according to the calendar used at the time, which you claim was inaccurate.

Anyway, he was just a little baby at the time.

 

[Mojo]

Luke 1:27 says, “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.”

Luke is not a reliable source. He made up a census that never happened in order to retrofit Christ's birth to Old Testament prophecies.

 

[Mojo]

Wasn’t Mary a virgin when she conceived Jesus?

Ask Naughtius Maximus.

 

[svenax]

This is the reason why I believe that Jesus came back as a spirit who we (plural) call Ama and who said that a crucifixion nail was thrown into the sea by the Pharisees which floated and ended up in Paris, France, that Saint James (Santiago [de Compostela?]) found.

Yet another oddity. Santiago de Compostela is pretty far away from Paris, don't you think? James, son of Zebedee is the patron saint of Spain, and has never had anything to do with Paris, France.

Maybe the story of James is relevant to how the nails came to Paris though:

Decapitated in Jerusalem with a sword by Herod Agrippa himself, his body was taken up by angels, and sailed in a rudderless, unattended boat to Iria Flavia in Iberia, where a massive rock closed around his relics, which were later removed to Compostela.

So maybe the nails didn't swim, but rather sailed in a self-guiding boat. Just like the cases of Dom pakeha keeps throwing in the sea.