Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Bad vibe]

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[Blue Mountain]

You are correct, hurdygurdy. Twenty years have passed and until now, Angelina Imden has never sent me a recording of any session. Maybe she did because in 1993, we moved to the city of Campbelltown from Fairfield. I do not know. I have not talked to her since 1992.

I haven't followed your other thread(s) here, so I'm a bit confused about your location. Are you in Australia?


Also, why would Angelina speak any Filipino? I live in Winnipeg (in Canada), and we have a rather large Filipino population. There are even have two employed in the small company I work for. But aside from na, which seems to be a common South Asian expression, I know no Filipino whatsoever.

 

[hurdygurdy]

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@hurdygurdy, #458

I will look for the conversation with Angelina Imden so that we can scrutinize what she said.

How much do we know about Pontius Pilate? I will relate what Ama said about him. You already know what happened to him when he died in Israel and the faith of the nail that ended up in Paris.

Pontius Pilate died in Vienne, France, which is several hundred kilometers from the nearest coast. The story of the floating nail is a legend.

 

[pakeha]

...
Clarita Enriquez: Sister, how many corpses have you dug up so far?
Angelina: Seventy-five (75) only.
Anita: Seventy-five (75).
...

PC, thanks for posting up this seance!
I'm really glad to read these transcriptions.
They follow the pattern of seances I've known and it is fascinating to see seances are pretty much the same everywhere.

...Why do you think that John the Evangelist is not the same as John the Baptist? FYI, they are one and the same. What is the analysis of critics regarding John the Evangelist? Can he be John the Apostle, the brother of James? How did Jesus name these two apostles, John and James, the sons of Zebedee? They were named Boanerges, or “Sons of Thunder” (Mark 3:17). They were loud. What kind of person was John the Evangelist? Was he loud?

Who is the disciple that Jesus loved? He was present during the crucifixion of Jesus with the Blessed Virgin Mary. Jesus said to the disciple, “Behold thy mother!” (John 19:27) FYI, that disciple was John, John the Baptist, his second cousin. Was it impossible for Jesus to put back the decapitated head of John the Baptist and made him live again?

Who were present during the transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-13; Mark 9:2-13; and Luke 9:28-36)? They were Peter and the brothers James and John. If John, the brother of James, was John the Evangelist, why is it that the transfiguration is not in the gospel of John? Peter wrote about it in 2 Peter 1:16-18.

PC, is this all your own idea?
Have you ever discussed it with a vicar or priest?

Here are some replies to the question "Were John the Baptist and John the evangelist the same person?"
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081119200003AA9N5Vx

I know you are familiar with yahoo answers, so this might give you an idea of just how unusual your claim is.

Here's another source for you to read:
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/p30.htm

... I have not talked to her since 1992.
... Jesus assigned her to dig up the bodies where Reneliniyindi resided in different parts of the world. That is her role and lead several thousand people in Britain.

PC, what makes you think you ever spoke to her?
The conversations are all via seances, aren't they?

We know there was never a Reneliniyindi.
The information given about Helene and Constantine is so mistaken it's actually rather pathetic.
The confusion with the nails, even more so.
The misinformation about Pontius Pilate tops the list as far as I'm concerned because it shows the source of information to be a very, very ignorant person indeed.
Why do you continue to believe in the veracity of these seances?

...The communication was via Ka Apaz’s mouth. People were around her physical body. I was present so I know that the talk was not over the telephone.

How was it people actually believed this tale of the 75 corpses?
Does it relate to some traditional Philippine belief?

...Yes, from a recording earlier, most likely in 1974, I heard that there were many priests in her congregation, and thousands of followers. I will look for that and transcribe and translate it for you. Yes, if it has thousands of followers, then it will be easy for it to be heard. Thanks for your help in scrutinizing the happenings.

Congregation?
What's the name of this congregation?

...How much do we know about Pontius Pilate? I will relate what Ama said about him. You already know what happened to him when he died in Israel and the faith of the nail that ended up in Paris.

The fact is we know enough about Pontius Pilate to able to say that these seances are feeding you false information that you can see is wrong just in a 2 minute search in the internet.

This is thirsty work.
A round of Dom for all.

 

[pakeha]

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That's lovely.
Another round of Dom to honour your talent!

 

[svenax]

How much do we know about Pontius Pilate? I will relate what Ama said about him. You already know what happened to him when he died in Israel and the faith of the nail that ended up in Paris.

Not much is known with certainty abouth the life and death of Pilate, but we do know that he did not die in Palestine. After having dealt badly with a Samaritan uprising in the year 37, he was called back to Rome. He never returned to Palestine after that.

There are several aphocryphical stories about Pilate. It sounds like your Ka Apaz has picked up some of the Mors Pilati, which describes him in very unflattering terms and contains a story about his body being thrown first in the Tiber, then in the Rhône, and finally buried near Lausanne, Switzerland. Nothing about any floating nails in there though.

When Caesar knew of the death of Pilate, he said: Truly he has died by a most disgraceful death, whom his own hand has not spared. He is therefore bound to a great mass, and sunk into the river Tiber. But malignant and filthy spirits in his malignant and filthy body, all rejoicing together, kept moving themselves in the waters, and in a terrible manner brought lightnings and tempests, thunders and hail-storms, in the air, so that all men were kept in horrible fear. Wherefore the Romans, drawing him out of the river Tiber, in derision carried him down to Vienna, and sunk him in the river Rhone. For Vienna is called, as it were, Via Gehennoe, the way of Gehenna, because it was then a place of cursing. But there evil spirits were present, working the same things in the same place. Those men therefore, not enduring such a visitation of demons, removed froth themselves that vessel of malediction, and sent him to be buried in the territory of Losania [Lausanne]. And they, seeing that they were troubled by the aforesaid visitations, removed him from themselves, and sunk him in a certain pit surrounded by mountains, where to this day, according to the account of some, certain diabolical machinations are said to bubble up.

 

[Mojo]

I greeted Angelina Imden, ‘Good evening’ and she replied ‘Good afternoon’.

Immediately before that, according to your transcript, she had already greeted you with "Good evening to you too". It doesn't get dark that suddenly in England, even in the mountains.

 

[joesixpack]

Welcome to the thread, joesixpack!
We have a decent red, Dom, tapas, cake, Dutch cheese and...and...what am I forgetting?
Of course- pistachios!

These will help you cope with the extraordinary revelations we're getting via the mediumship of Ka Apaz.

Another round of Dom to celebrate joesixpack's arrival1

I'm seeing some of these revelations and am now sorry I read as much as I have. I went to the last page and then reflexively responded to what I thought was a misrepresentation of facts, but it turned out that this was an accurate representation of un-reality.

 

[svenax]

I'm seeing some of these revelations and am now sorry I read as much as I have. I went to the last page and then reflexively responded to what I thought was a misrepresentation of facts, but it turned out that this was an accurate representation of un-reality.

Yup. This thread is so unreal it is not even funny any more. I post only because it gives me the opportunity to learn about various (real) historical events, which I find interesting. But I have no hope Peace Crusader will ever take any of all this to heart.

And for the Dom of course

 

[PeaceCrusader]

I haven't followed your other thread(s) here, so I'm a bit confused about your location. Are you in Australia?


Also, why would Angelina speak any Filipino? I live in Winnipeg (in Canada), and we have a rather large Filipino population. There are even have two employed in the small company I work for. But aside from na, which seems to be a common South Asian expression, I know no Filipino whatsoever.

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@Blue Mountain, #462

Yes, I live in Australia. When the tape recording was made, it was in 1992. We were still living in Fairfield, New South Wales, Australia. The following year, 1993, we moved to the city of Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia.

As I understand it, the reason why it is in Filipino that Angelina Imden speaks is because the woman whose body where we hear her is from the Philippines and speaks Filipino. Automatic translation although some retain the original words.

 

[Pixel42]

the reason why it is in Filipino that Angelina Imden speaks is because the woman whose body where we hear her who is pretending to be her is from the Philippines and speaks Filipino.

Fixed that for you.

 

[abaddon]

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@Blue Mountain, #462

Yes, I live in Australia. When the tape recording was made, it was in 1992. We were still living in Fairfield, New South Wales, Australia. The following year, 1993, we moved to the city of Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia.

As I understand it, the reason why it is in Filipino that Angelina Imden speaks is because the woman whose body where we hear her is from the Philippines and speaks Filipino. Automatic translation although some retain the original words.

Get it in your head. Ka Apaz is a faker. Ama is a fake. Angelina is a fake.

 

[pakeha]

Not much is known with certainty abouth the life and death of Pilate, but we do know that he did not die in Palestine. After having dealt badly with a Samaritan uprising in the year 37, he was called back to Rome. He never returned to Palestine after that.

There are several aphocryphical stories about Pilate. It sounds like your Ka Apaz has picked up some of the Mors Pilati, which describes him in very unflattering terms and contains a story about his body being thrown first in the Tiber, then in the Rhône, and finally buried near Lausanne, Switzerland. Nothing about any floating nails in there though.

Interesting onformation, svenex.
A round of Dom to celebrate it!

PC, is the version of Pontius Pilate's death you quote from the Pasyon?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, thanks for posting up this seance!
I'm really glad to read these transcriptions.
They follow the pattern of seances I've known and it is fascinating to see seances are pretty much the same everywhere.

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@pakeha, #464

Seance, according to the World Book Dictionary, is “a meeting of people trying to communicate with spirits of the dead by the help of a medium”. I have said that there is a good spirit which is from the only true God and an evil spirit which is from the enemy of the only true God. 1 John 4:1-3 state:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth the Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is in the world.

So we should be scrutinizing about spirits. I have said about “lakip” and “sanib”. “lakip” is whereby the spirit of the person leaves his body that is why it drops to the ground and the extraneous spirit enters the body that is why it rises again. “sanib” is whereby the spirit of the person is still in his body while the extraneous spirit goes into the body also.

The only true God gave a person a spirit so that it becomes alive. When his spirit leaves the body, then we say that the body is dead. An evil spirit will not live in a dead body. Have we seen dead body come back to life?

 

[Astreja]

I have said that there is a good spirit which is from the only true God and an evil spirit which is from the enemy of the only true God.

I think that both are imaginary. I also think that your god and its "enemy" are imaginary.

So we should be scrutinizing about spirits.

Indeed. I think that we should assume that they are imaginary unless otherwise demonstrated.

The only true God gave a person a spirit so that it becomes alive.

Until you can demonstrate that your god and spirits actually exist, this is an unsupported assertion and can be discarded as not in tune with reality as we know it.

And I, for one, am getting rather tired of this nonsense.

Aristeo, we do not believe you. Why do you persist in posting things for which you have no empirical evidence?

Please answer My question, referring only to your own thoughts and feelings, without any Ka Apez-fuelled embellishment and without any quotations from recordings or scriptures. I want to know why you continue to post your mythological nonsense on a forum of giggling, guffawing skeptics who have disproven virtually everything you have posted since you arrived here several months ago.

 

[Mojo]

As I understand it, the reason why it is in Filipino that Angelina Imden speaks is because the woman whose body where we hear her is from the Philippines and speaks Filipino.

You're getting warmer.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Interesting onformation, svenex.
A round of Dom to celebrate it!

PC, is the version of Pontius Pilate's death you quote from the Pasyon?

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@pakeha, #473

No, pakeha, the spirit of Ama related the creation and death of Pontius Pilate. You will not find these in the Holy Bible or in Pasyon. I believe what Ama said regarding these because they are, to me, logically correct.

Just think of this, if Jesus is God, can any mortal being judge God? The story of Mors Pilati is not correct. Do you know why Emperor Tiberius Caesar made him Governor of the Roman province of Judaea?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

I think that both are imaginary. I also think that your god and its "enemy" are imaginary.


Indeed. I think that we should assume that they are imaginary unless otherwise demonstrated.


Until you can demonstrate that your god and spirits actually exist, this is an unsupported assertion and can be discarded as not in tune with reality as we know it.

And I, for one, am getting rather tired of this nonsense.

Aristeo, we do not believe you. Why do you persist in posting things for which you have no empirical evidence?

Please answer My question, referring only to your own thoughts and feelings, without any Ka Apez-fuelled embellishment and without any quotations from recordings or scriptures. I want to know why you continue to post your mythological nonsense on a forum of giggling, guffawing skeptics who have disproven virtually everything you have posted since you arrived here several months ago.

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@Astreja, #475

You think that spirits are imaginary? How many have seen images of ghosts who when approached disappeared? What are those images? They belong to those who have died before us.

Tell me why flying birds in the thousands just fell from the sky in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Sweden in January 2011?

 

[catsmate]

You're probably right about the red wine- once we've finished off those nibbles we'll go on to fruits and choccies and ices.
And another round of Dom, of course.

This is relevant to my interests and I wish to subscribe to your free tasty foods online giveaway programme.

I made a chocolate cake and a lime drizzle cake this afternoon and am willing to exchange slices of cake for tapas.

There's a bottle of a nice red and a roast beef waiting for lunch munchies.
And no floating iron nails

Welcome to the thread, joesixpack!
We have a decent red, Dom, tapas, cake, Dutch cheese and...and...what am I forgetting?
Of course- pistachios!

Muffins all around!!

 

[jsfisher]

20120912.0145Tell me why flying birds in the thousands just fell from the sky in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Sweden in January 2011?

Fireworks and cold weather are the most common suspects for such events, but what does that have to do with your lying Filipino faker?