Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Mudcat]

Moonshine.

That explains oh so much. I'd go easy on that stuff if I were you, by the way. I heard it can cause blindness.

 

[JayUtah]

Moonshine.

Then prove it by producing a version 1.3 PDF that does what you say that help file says it should do.

We're waiting.

 

[CORed]

%s/Robert/FatFreddy88/g

vi rocks. vim rocks even more.

I just like saying that word.

 

[JayUtah]

More psycho-babble. ZZZzzzzz.

I'm sorry the truth bores you. None of your "experts" are accepted as such by any court in this land -- a sad fact you admit you don't want to go read when someone posts it.

And right here, on this forum, you're being shown expertise that you refuse to address. You just keep waving your hands frantically at your discredited, disqualified non-experts.

Face it, Robert: you don't know what you're talking about, and you can't admit that your critics do.

 

[CORed]

Moonshine.

Apparently Robert has moved on to stronger stuff than baloney.

 

[JayUtah]

vi rocks. vim rocks even more.

This was my first editor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_card_punch_029.JPG

I use vim for small utility tasks, but I code in Emacs. There's just something attractive about an editor that's really just an SDK for writing editors.

 

[Mudcat]

Apparently Robert has moved on to stronger stuff than baloney.

It's just as weak.

 

[sts60]

This was my first editor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_card_punch_029.JPG

Ah, mine too. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

However, I should point out that your card decks had layers, Mr. Smartypants Omni-Expert...

 

[abaddon]

According to the Pdf 1.3 specification on page 477
those are the ways to store application data like layers. So, how where those layers stored Robert?

ETA: Anyone got a clue what a pdf looks like when you open it in Photoshop or InDesign? Might those programs interpret data erroneously as layers?

Sure.
Photoshop will first throw you a dialog asking which page you want if there is more than one page, then render that page only, and render it as an image, i.e. all layer/object info is discarded, and the whole is rendered as a bitmap. That being said, the rendering is usually on the money, despite being a bitmap. That said, I haven't opened every PDF in the world via photoshop, so it is possible there are bogies out there.

With Illustrator, once again, all hell is out for breakfast. Illustrator has an annoying habit of losing track of coordinates. Your text may be positioned 20 points from the (0,0) origin at the bottom left corner of the page, but some of your graphic elements may turn up at coordinates so far away as to be in blooming orbit. Also, font encoding may go bonkers.

 

[JayUtah]

However, I should point out that your card decks had layers, Mr. Smartypants Omni-Expert...

Yup. There's the Dog-Eared JCL Layer, the Hopefully Ordered Program Layer, the Data Layer (which was always a different color, having often been punched on the system punch), and the Layer With the Fuzzy Edge From the Rubber Band.

Heaven help you if you exported any of those layers to the floor. Except for object decks; they were self-ordering and self-identifying.

 

[abaddon]

Yup. There's the Dog-Eared JCL Layer, the Hopefully Ordered Program Layer, the Data Layer (which was always a different color, having often been punched on the system punch), and the Layer With the Fuzzy Edge From the Rubber Band.

Heaven help you if you exported any of those layers to the floor. Except for object decks; they were self-ordering and self-identifying.

Have you considered a career in card magic?

 

[Robert Prey]

I'm sorry the truth bores you. None of your "experts" are accepted as such by any court in this land -- a sad fact you admit you don't want to go read when someone posts it.

And your experts??? So far they number zero. Unless you want to count the only two that have been cited on this board -- Nathan Goulding, a swing dancer who never took a computer class, but nonetheless refers to "Layers" in the Obama PCF., and the other "expert,": Jean-Claude Tremblay, mis-quoted by Jan Winters of Fox News as follows:
“But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.”

The controversy traces to a Web story by Fox News reporter Jana Winter two days after the White House released the birth certificate, titled “Expert: No Doubt Obama’s Birth Certificate is Legit.

But

“I never said that,” Tremblay insists. “Winter called me and talked to me for about five minutes on the telephone, and she never said she was going to quote me. Then she misrepresented what I said.”
“For me, what I have seen does not prove that it is legit...

“I’m not a detective specializing in the forgery of electronic documents,” he wrote on his professional website. “I am an instructor in graphic design software working to help people work faster, better and smarter.”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

That's it.

Thus, the only two alleged "experts" cited on this board by the anti-Birthers would seem to require a little more humility in those who seek to denigrate the far more legitimate experts cited by Birthers.

 

[Dcdrac]

oh wow vi llloooonng time since I used that

 

[JayUtah]

And your experts?

Straw man again. I'm not relying on outside experts, so trash them all you want. It won't change the fact that you cannot respond to my analysis.

 

[Dcdrac]

RP Jay knows how PDFs work your bunch of non experts do not, like you yourself do not

 

[000063]

Moonshine.

Goes well with baloney.

Straw man again. I'm not relying on outside experts, so trash them all you want. It won't change the fact that you cannot respond to my analysis.

Strictly speaking, dismissing it as baloney and technobabble is a response. It's just that it's an entirely unsupported one.

 

[Straw Man]

Moonshine and Baloney sounds like a bad cop show.

 

[R.A.F.]

Moonshine.

What would it take to convince you that you are wrong?

Simple question....but can you answer it??

 

[Blue Mountain]

I use vim for small utility tasks, but I code in Emacs. There's just something attractive about an editor that's really just an SDK for writing editors.

"Emacs is a good operating system. All it needs now is a decent editor."

[cue vim/emacs flame war ]

 

[TheRedWorm]

What would it take to convince you that you are wrong?

Simple question....but can you answer it??

One question at a time please.