Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Astreja]

Please also google Angelina Imden true meaning Christmas to see my posting on 7 Dec 1999.

IMO, Christmas has almost nothing to do with Christianity. It represents the turn of the season, particularly the winter solstice which is when days start lengthening and nights start getting shorter.

It certainly has nothing meaningful to do with a probably-imaginary acromegalic British hoarder of stolen corpses.

I also noticed, PC, that you seem to be ignoring Me. I assert again that we don't believe what you are telling us. Furthermore, I assert that your beliefs are not "good for the soul" and that, instead of discarding evil, you seem to have acquired a front-end loader and are heaping up evil-minded nonsense in rather large piles.

 

[ixolite]

20120910.1200

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm .

What was dug in Jerusalem

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.
Marcial Aguila: Why?
Ama: They did not allow anyone in. Because, the people were very respectful that is why they did not allow anyone in.
In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought. They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.
And they saw the three crosses and they also saw the twelve nails, eight of which are rusty already. The crosses were almost rotten due to a long period of time being buried. Then, they did not know which cross that Saint Helena desired. What they did then was put the cross beside a rich widow who was sick and about the die. About the die already.
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.
And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

This transcription is from tape k15b, 15:16-18.19

According to the bible Joseph of Arimathea owned the grave. And they did not bury criminals with their crosses and nails, they reused that stuff.

20120910.1525

@ixolite, #376

Yes, I am aware that Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, had John the Baptist beheaded. The ministry of Jesus was only for three years – from 4 BC to 1 BC. John the Baptist may have started his ministry about 6 BC (http://aristean.org/wp055.htm titled “Time line during the time of Jesus”).

Herod Antipas was confused because he had John the Baptist beheaded but people said that John the Baptist had come back to life. I believe Jesus brought him back to life. If Jesus could make Lazarus lived again after being four days in the grave, how much more could He reattach the head of John the Baptist and made him lived again. Remember the apostle of Jesus named Simon Peter? He cut off the ear of Malchus, the High Priest’s slave. Jesus had the ear reattached (Matthew 26:51-54; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11).

Pontius Pilate died when he was still in Jerusalem. When he was buried, it stormed, earth quaked and flooded. It did not stop. So they threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea. But the cruelty of the weather did not stop. It became more intense. Then the Pharisees threw one nail into the sea. And the weather calmed down. It is this nail that floated and ended up in Paris, France which Saint James found.

One would think the bible would have mentioned such a miracle.

So Pilate died in Jerusalem, which is even worse, because there is no sea near Jerusalem.

 

[Stomatopoda]

And they did not bury criminals with their crosses and nails, they reused that stuff.

This brings up a good point.

PC, what shape were the crosses used, and how many nails were used to construct the crosses?

 

[pakeha]

First things first-
A quick round of Dom for all and a second to celebrate so much historical information!
Let there be an abundance of Iberian ham, Manchego cheese and properly dressed olives to accompany the third round as I settle into PC's remarkable posts.

 

[hurdygurdy]

First things first-
A quick round of Dom for all and a second to celebrate so much historical information!
Let there be an abundance of Iberian ham, Manchego cheese and properly dressed olives to accompany the third round as I settle into PC's remarkable posts.

Wow, a connoisseur of good Spanish food. (They would taste better with red wine than with champagne, though).

 

[pakeha]

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.

3 days absence?
how can that be?

In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought. They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.

Other posters have dealt with this assertion and I think a round of Dom for all is called for in their honour.

The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.

Not so. Helene was not of royal birth: ...The mother of Constantine the Great, born about the middle of the third century, possibly in Drepanum (later known as Helenopolis) on the Nicomedian Gulf; died about 330. She was of humble parentage; St. Ambrose, in his "Oratio de obitu Theodosii", referred to her as a stabularia, or inn-keeper....http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07202b.htm

And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

The mediumship of Ka Apaz falls down yet again.
Were the nails taken up to heaven or found by Helene.
Both can't be true.

Why does the spirit call Helene a queen?
She was not.

Why does the spirit call Constantine a Moor?
He was not.

This is clearly a false spirit and a false medium, PC.

...Yes, I am aware that Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, had John the Baptist beheaded. The ministry of Jesus was only for three years – from 4 BC to 1 BC. John the Baptist may have started his ministry about 6 BC (http://aristean.org/wp055.htm titled “Time line during the time of Jesus”).

Herod Antipas was confused because he had John the Baptist beheaded but people said that John the Baptist had come back to life. I believe Jesus brought him back to life. If Jesus could make Lazarus lived again after being four days in the grave, how much more could He reattach the head of John the Baptist and made him lived again. Remember the apostle of Jesus named Simon Peter? He cut off the ear of Malchus, the High Priest’s slave. Jesus had the ear reattached (Matthew 26:51-54; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11).

Are you quite sure that John the Baptist was brought back to life?
Where in the New Testament do they say that?

Pontius Pilate died when he was still in Jerusalem. When he was buried, it stormed, earth quaked and flooded. It did not stop. So they threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea. But the cruelty of the weather did not stop. It became more intense. Then the Pharisees threw one nail into the sea. And the weather calmed down. It is this nail that floated and ended up in Paris, France which Saint James found.

Actually, Pontius Pilate was recalled to Rome and exiled.
He died in Vienne, not Jerusalem.
PC, don't you see that these channeled messages are clearly the work of someone who has no idea about history?

...I will try my best to post the first part of the translation tomorrow. I think Angelina Imden does not want to reveal her whereabouts in England because of the 75 bodies that are in her possession which have been dug in different parts of the world as of 1992.

Are you saying you never spoke to this person except via the mediumship of Ka Apaz?

 

[Craig B]

20120910.1525

@ixolite, #376

Remember the apostle of Jesus named Simon Peter? He cut off the ear of Malchus, the High Priest’s slave. Jesus had the ear reattached (Matthew 26:51-54; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11).

That is quite untrue. Look at your chosen passages again. Only Luke mentions the reattachment of the ear. The three other Gospels do not mention any such thing.

And only John mentions the name of the apostle who cut off the ear, and the name of the High Priest's slave. And John says nothing about the damage being repaired.

 

[pakeha]

Wow, a connoisseur of good Spanish food. (They would taste better with red wine than with champagne, though).

You're probably right about the red wine- once we've finished off those nibbles we'll go on to fruits and choccies and ices.
And another round of Dom, of course.

 

[Agatha]

First things first-
A quick round of Dom for all and a second to celebrate so much historical information!
Let there be an abundance of Iberian ham, Manchego cheese and properly dressed olives to accompany the third round as I settle into PC's remarkable posts.

This is relevant to my interests and I wish to subscribe to your free tasty foods online giveaway programme.

I made a chocolate cake and a lime drizzle cake this afternoon and am willing to exchange slices of cake for tapas.

PeaceCrusader, can you understand that many of the things you are hearing from 'Ama' are simply not true, such as Helena being a Moor or the daughter of a king? If Ama gets these easily researched details wrong, how can you trust that things which are not easily researched are also true?

 

[abaddon]

Are you saying you never spoke to this person except via the mediumship of Ka Apaz?

ya know, I am not sure, but I would say yes, on balance.

ETA: It suits PC to be vague.

 

[Mojo]

And only John mentions the name of the apostle who cut off the ear, and the name of the High Priest's slave. And John says nothing about the damage being repaired.

He was probably too busy holding his own head on to notice.

 

[George 152]

There's a bottle of a nice red and a roast beef waiting for lunch munchies.
And no floating iron nails

 

[rickps]

There's a bottle of a nice red and a roast beef waiting for lunch munchies.
And no floating iron nails

I believe you'll find the nails in France. Ask for a man named James.

 

[joesixpack]

How about John the Baptist, the saint who witnessed the crucifixion and wrote the gospels years after his decapitation? Does it seem "logically correct" to you?

John the Evangelist isn't the same John as John the Baptist.

 

[AdMan]

John the Evangelist isn't the same John as John the Baptist.

Tell that to Peace Crusader and Ka Apaz. They are slightly confused.

 

[pakeha]

John the Evangelist isn't the same John as John the Baptist.

Welcome to the thread, joesixpack!
We have a decent red, Dom, tapas, cake, Dutch cheese and...and...what am I forgetting?
Of course- pistachios!

These will help you cope with the extraordinary revelations we're getting via the mediumship of Ka Apaz.

Another round of Dom to celebrate joesixpack's arrival1

 

[PeaceCrusader]

20120910.1700

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag085.htm .

Talk with Angelina Imden in 1992

Angelina Imden: Good evening to you too.
Aristeo Fernando: Good evening to you.
Angelina: Good afternoon to you. How are you?
Anta Perez: We are fine. How are you?
Angelina: I am fine.
Anita: It has been a long time that we haven’t communicated with you.
Angelina: It was really a long time. Very long. I have not forgotten Reneliniyindi.
Anita: It has been many years, isn’t it?
Angelina: It was a long time. May be, about fiftee (15) years.
Anita: It was really very long.
Angelina: Are you still the same?
Anita: Yes, still the same.
Aristeo: I had been included in those fifteen (15) years.
Marcia Tolentino: There are those who have already died.
Clarita Enriquez: Sister, how many corpses have you dug up so far?
Angelina: Seventy-five (75) only.
Anita: Seventy-five (75).
Aristeo: Which body do you use now? Where did you dig it up?
Angelina: The only one from Egypt.
Aristeo: Ah, can you use the corpse from other countries?
Angelina: That is also possible. Only thing, they are not used. They are not what-do-you call-it.
Aristeo: How do the corpses look like?
Angelina: They look the same.
Aristeo: The same look? Do the bodies decay or they are as if sleeping?
Angelina: As if sleeping.
Aristeo: Without life.
Angelina: Without life. In the coffin, though. When it is to be used, it (coffin) opens. That is why it is not scary. Others do not know this.
Anita: The coffin opens and the light switches on.
Angelina: Yes.
Anita: The light, it means that the spirit is there.
Manuel de la Cruz: Sister, where is your place?
Angelina: In England.
Aristeo: Can we correspond with you?
Angelina: If Reneliniyindi would come here ...
Aristeo: By mail?
Angelina: That cannot be because it is mountain.
Manuel: Where in England, Sister?
Angelina: In ..., do you go there?
Manuel: Yes.
Angelina: It is far from the city itself.
Manuel: About two hours?
Angelina: Not only. Maybe, that is about eight hours.
Manuel: Eight hours of travel.
Angelina: Yes.
Clarita: Mountain, Sister?
Anita: Sister Angelina ...
Aristeo: Are there people who record on tape there?
Angelina: Sometimes.
Aristeo: I understand that the corpse there in England is laden, is leaden. Then, it becomes like a receiver or like radio. Now, we talk here in the Philippines, you can hear also but in your language there.
Angelina: Yes.
Aristeo: If that is taped, you can therefore hear my voice there in the Egyptian language?
Angelina: Yes.
Aristeo: Could you please send me tape recording of our sessions held here in the Philippines in your language there?
Angelina: I will try.
Aristeo: My address in Australia is PO Box 11, Fairfield, New South Wales 2165, Australia. My name is Aristeo Fernando.
Anita: He, Sister, is our new what-do-you-call-it, an old member. A member colleague.
Aristeo: But it is only now that I have to opportunity to talk to you. I only have heard your conversation to people here. They are on tape.

This transcription is from tape h06a, start-5:00

 

[PeaceCrusader]

John the Evangelist isn't the same John as John the Baptist.

20120911.1335

@joesixpack, #434

Why do you think that John the Evangelist is not the same as John the Baptist? FYI, they are one and the same. What is the analysis of critics regarding John the Evangelist? Can he be John the Apostle, the brother of James? How did Jesus name these two apostles, John and James, the sons of Zebedee? They were named Boanerges, or “Sons of Thunder” (Mark 3:17). They were loud. What kind of person was John the Evangelist? Was he loud?

Who is the disciple that Jesus loved? He was present during the crucifixion of Jesus with the Blessed Virgin Mary. Jesus said to the disciple, “Behold thy mother!” (John 19:27) FYI, that disciple was John, John the Baptist, his second cousin. Was it impossible for Jesus to put back the decapitated head of John the Baptist and made him live again?

Who were present during the transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-13; Mark 9:2-13; and Luke 9:28-36)? They were Peter and the brothers James and John. If John, the brother of James, was John the Evangelist, why is it that the transfiguration is not in the gospel of John? Peter wrote about it in 2 Peter 1:16-18.

 

[hurdygurdy]

Aristeo: If that is taped, you can therefore hear my voice there in the Egyptian language?
Angelina: Yes.
Aristeo: Could you please send me tape recording of our sessions held here in the Philippines in your language there?
Angelina: I will try.
Aristeo: My address in Australia is PO Box 11, Fairfield, New South Wales 2165, Australia. My name is Aristeo Fernando.

Let me guess... She never sent you the recording of her sessions, right?

 

[svenax]

Angelina: That cannot be because it is mountain.
Manuel: Where in England, Sister?
Angelina: In ..., do you go there?
Manuel: Yes.
Angelina: It is far from the city itself.
Manuel: About two hours?
Angelina: Not only. Maybe, that is about eight hours.
Manuel: Eight hours of travel.
Angelina: Yes.

Classic evasion. When asked for specifics, divert. I don't believe there is any place in England that is eight hours away from some town. Possibly if you travel on foot, but not otherwise. And "in a mountain"? As in, Angelina Imden lives in a mountain? A seven foot mountain dweller, that is almost like she was a troll, no?