Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

[Animal]

You don't know how a building works and what makes it strong. It is a structure that gets its strength from elements joined together, and sealed off by gravity. You don't realize that a plane is made of longerons connected by cross ribs, strong enough not to fall apart above a certain speed, which is not much higher than its cruising speed at optimal altitude. You believe that kinetic energy behaves always in the same manner irrespective of proprieties of matter and geometry and distribution of energy involved.This believe in magic properties of some sort of kinetic wave at speeds that can fool your intuition makes you unwilling to consider any other aspect that must be included before you can move on.

And you expect anyone to belief YOU know how buildings work with the above BS

 

[DGM]

I thought you could do better than that.

I don't need to.

 

[Mikeys]

And you expect anyone to belief YOU know how buildings work with the above BS

I don't want anyone to believe me anything. I don't have anything staked in it. Just drilling, slowly.

 

[DGM]

I don't want anyone to believe me anything. I don't have anything staked in it. Just drilling, slowly.

'Drilling"? To what end?

Science shows that what we saw the planes do is what we should have seen. Your lack of knowledge is never going to change this.

 

[Animal]

'Drilling"? To what end?

Science shows that what we saw the planes do is what we should have seen. Your lack of knowledge is never going to change this.

I believe mickey is just another in a long live of "I am just asking questions" troofers, that doesn't have a clue.

 

[tsig]

Really?

How do the bad guys guarantee that the "collapses" would come to fruition?

Wake the heck up.

What would have happened if one of the planes didn't hit a tower?

If a plane didn't hit its tower, the planted explosive, whatever it was, would have been discovered.

Common sense alarm.


As usual, I am the smartest person in the room. I'm used to it.

You must be in a room by yourself.

(this is a forum)

 

[tsig]

What makes you think they needed this "guarantee"?



Alone again?

Ninjaed, again.

 

[tsig]

You think people who could do 9/11 would have trouble smuggling the right kind of gear into the site. Not a big deal. I neither love it nor hate it. It's irrelevant. Where did I say the engines with lots of momentum couldn't have done damage?
It's also irrelevant to the big picture presented. They would hit locally, and the damage made should be easily seen.

There was a big hole in the building, fire and then they collapsed, it was easily seen.

 

[Travis]

You don't know how a building works and what makes it strong. It is a structure that gets its strength from elements joined together, and sealed off by gravity. You don't realize that a plane is made of longerons connected by cross ribs, strong enough not to fall apart above a certain speed, which is not much higher than its cruising speed at optimal altitude. You believe that kinetic energy behaves always in the same manner irrespective of proprieties of matter and geometry and distribution of energy involved.This believe in magic properties of some sort of kinetic wave at speeds that can fool your intuition makes you unwilling to consider any other aspect that must be included before you can move on.


A drone is still a plane. Who was searching through the debris, FBI or the Red Cross.Did they also recover parts from the plane that hit the North Tower?

Lol. Wow. The "sealed off from gravity" bit was just the beginning.

But keep telling us what we believe about kinetic energy. This is really entertaining.

 

[tsig]

typically not.


Well, kind of. No one saw that plane coming. If I were a conspirator, there would be no need for hitting the North Tower with a plane. Overkill. Since you you follow official side I don't see anything wrong with your reasoning.

You admit you know how conspirators think?

 

[tsig]

I don't want anyone to believe me anything. I don't have anything staked in it. Just drilling, slowly.

Self trepanation?

 

[Mikeys]

Really?

How do the bad guys guarantee that the "collapses" would come to fruition?

Wake the heck up.

What would have happened if one of the planes didn't hit a tower?

If a plane didn't hit its tower, the planted explosive, whatever it was, would have been discovered.

Common sense alarm.


As usual, I am the smartest person in the room. I'm used to it.

I don't know your theory but God save you bud from that kind of common sense.

 

[Mikeys]

Self trepanation?

Hell why not, I was in a comma for 10 years.

 

[DGM]

I don't know your theory but God save you bud from that kind of common sense.

Strange, you can spot the flaws in his post........................................(low hanging fruit).

 

[beachnut]

I don't want anyone to believe me anything. I don't have anything staked in it. Just drilling, slowly.

You don't understand physics, flying, models, RADAR, FDR, and 911. Why are you anti-science? Why do you adopt lies from the anti-intellectual movement called 911 truth which has failed for 11 years to do anything useful?

Instead of doing research you spread lies and misinformation.
http://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bri...ecurity/ReflectionsontheWorldTradeCenter.aspx
No need to read or study 911 and understand physics, you can see in slow motion video what the truth is. Have you told the relatives of those who died no one was on the planes? The planes were drones because you say so. You have no evidence, you have no science, you have a fantasy made up out of thin air, in your head.

E=1/2mv²

Watching the impacts in slow motion on low resolution low frame rate video from 2001 has fooled you into believing idiotic claims you have adopted out of ignorance. Failing to do the physics has left you believing lies and idiotic conclusions. You think aircraft are made of aluminum foil. No experience, no skepticism to see your failure.

The energy of impact in the design of the WTC to resist an aircraft, 386,215,069 joules. Flight 175 had 4,380,000,000 joules. You have no ability to understand what this means. You don't do physics, and when you try, you debunk yourself. Got math?

 

[000063]

What technology do you use to pass through a doorway?

...At 500 MPH.

I don't claim or plagiarize, just point the obvious, something that you too can analyze by yourself without having to admit your lack of common sense and sheepish trust in doctored science. The vids are free.

I stopped leaning on my own understanding in "obvious" things before I could drive.

That's only logical and self explanatory considering the issue at hand. What else would you expect? No blind followers here.

Yet your understanding of the math involved has been shown to be woefully lacking.

If I say the sky is blue, I need to know what blue is, know what the sky is, know what color the sky is, and have the ability to compare them. And that's a relatively simple "self-explanatory" statement.

 

[000063]

You don't know how a building works and what makes it strong. It is a structure that gets its strength from elements joined together, and sealed off by gravity.

Stundie.

You don't realize that a plane is made of longerons connected by cross ribs, strong enough not to fall apart above a certain speed, which is not much higher than its cruising speed at optimal altitude

False. There are many, many factors.

You believe that kinetic energy behaves always in the same manner irrespective of proprieties of matter and geometry and distribution of energy involved

No, you're the one asserting that the plane should've bounced off regardless of how fast it was going or the size and strength of what it hit. Straw man.

This believe in magic properties of some sort of kinetic wave at speeds that can fool your intuition makes you unwilling to consider any other aspect that must be included before you can move on.

Strange how your intuition is utterly infallable, but that of others isn't. Also strange how you seem to confuse actual evidence backed math and intuition. Projecting much?

A drone is still a plane. Who was searching through the debris, FBI or the Red Cross.Did they also recover parts from the plane that hit the North Tower?

Neither, actually. Thousands of cops, firefighters, ironworkers, and forensic experts. If you believe the FBI "massaged" the debris, provide evidence.

 

[JohnG]

Hell why not, I was in a comma for 10 years.

And now you're in a life-long question mark.

 

[000063]

Really?

How do the bad guys guarantee that the "collapses" would come to fruition?

Wake the heck up.

What would have happened if one of the planes didn't hit a tower?

If a plane didn't hit its tower, the planted explosive, whatever it was, would have been discovered.

Common sense alarm.


As usual, I am the smartest person in the room. I'm used to it.

Funny thing. I once asked how They could be sure 1's debris would hit 7 and not disrupt the charges. You babbled something about computers and refused to discuss it any further, or even to acknowledge requests to do so. Yet here you are making very similar objections to atavisms.

Of course, I suspect you've confused Ata with a debunker.

You think people who could do 9/11 would have trouble smuggling the right kind of gear into the site.

Probably not, since he thinks that the people who "did" 9/11 carried weapons that were, shall we say, self-propelled. Four airplanes, in fact. They delivered them to the targets.

Not a big deal. I neither love it nor hate it. It's irrelevant.

So the question of whether it was physically capable to weaken the structure and plant explosives is irrelevant?

Where did I say the engines with lots of momentum couldn't have done damage?

It's implied by your posts. Of course, if that interpretation is incorrect, all you'd have to do is say so instead of the "where did I say that?" dodge.

It's also irrelevant to the big picture presented. They would hit locally, and the damage made should be easily seen.

You mean like the big flaming holes in the buildings?

 

[000063]

'Drilling"? To what end?

Science shows that what we saw the planes do is what we should have seen. Your lack of knowledge is never going to change this.

Actually, this explains quite a lot; he learned to debate from Gurren Lagann. He's just going to keep trying until he succeeds, despite the fact that in real life, sometimes no amount of determination can help if you're just plain wrong.